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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Bush administration cuts off birth control supplies toAfrica Reply with quote

From today's New York Times

"Can This Be Pro-Life?

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: October 8, 2008
The Bush administration this month is quietly cutting off birth control supplies to some of the world�s poorest women in Africa.

Thus the paradox of a �pro-life� administration adopting a policy whose result will be tens of thousands of additional abortions each year � along with more women dying in childbirth.

The saga also spotlights a clear difference between Barack Obama and John McCain. Senator Obama supports U.N.-led efforts to promote family planning; Senator McCain stands with President Bush in opposing certain crucial efforts to help women reduce unwanted pregnancies in Africa and Asia.

There is something about reproductive health � maybe the sex part � that makes some Americans froth and go crazy. We see it in the opposition to condoms to curb AIDS in Africa and in the insistence on abstinence-only sex education in American classrooms (one reason American teenage pregnancy rates are more than double those in Canada). And we see it in the decision of some towns � like Wasilla, Alaska, when Sarah Palin was mayor there � to bill rape victims for the kits used to gather evidence of sex crimes. In most places, police departments pay for rape kits, which cost hundreds of dollars, but while Ms. Palin was mayor of Wasilla, the town decided to save money by billing rape victims.

The latest bout of reproductive-health madness came in the last couple of weeks when the U.S. Agency for International Development ordered six African countries to ensure that no U.S.-financed condoms, birth control pills, I.U.D.�s or other contraceptives are furnished to Marie Stopes International, a British-based aid group that operates clinics in poor countries.

The Bush administration says it took this action because Marie Stopes International works with the U.N. Population Fund in China. President Bush has cut all financing for the population fund on the � false � basis that it supports China�s family-planning program.

It�s true that China�s one-child policy sometimes includes forced abortion, and when traveling in rural China, I still come across peasants whose homes have been knocked down as punishment for an unauthorized child. But the U.N. fund has been the most powerful force in moderating China�s policy, and a State Department team itself found no evidence of any U.N. involvement in the coercion.

Mr. Bush�s defunding of the U.N. Population Fund � backed by Senator McCain � has persisted since 2002. What is new is the extension of that policy to a leading private family-planning organization like Marie Stopes International.

�The irony and hypocrisy of it is that this is a bone to the self-described �pro-life� movement, but it will result in deaths to women who just want to space their births,� said Dana Hovig, the chief executive of Marie Stopes International. The organization estimates that the result will be at least 157,000 additional unwanted pregnancies per year, leading to 62,000 additional abortions and 660 women dying in childbirth.

That may overstate the impact. Kent Hill, an official of the U.S. aid agency, insists that there will be no increase in pregnancies because the American contraceptives will simply be routed to other aid groups in Africa.

That will work to some degree in big cities. But it�s a fantasy in rural Africa. Over the years, I�ve dropped in on a half-dozen Marie Stopes clinics, and in rural areas there�s typically nothing else for many miles around. Women in the villages simply have no other source of family planning.

�This nearsighted maneuver will have direct and dire consequences,� a group of prominent public health experts in America declared in an open letter, adding that the action �will translate almost immediately into increased maternal death and disability.�

Proponents of the cut-off are not misogynists. They are honestly outraged by forced abortions in China. But why take it out on the most impoverished and voiceless people on earth? Mr. McCain seems to have supported Mr. Bush, mostly out of instinct, and when a reporter asked him this spring whether American aid should finance contraceptives to fight AIDS in Africa, he initially said, �I haven�t thought about it,� and later added, �You�ve stumped me.�

Retrograde decisions on reproductive health are reached in conference rooms in Washington, but I�ve seen how they play out in African villages. A young woman lies in a hut, bleeding to death or swollen by infection, as untrained midwives offer her water or herbs. Her husband and children wait anxiously outside the hut, their faces frozen and perspiring as her groans weaken.

When she dies, her body is bundled in an old blanket and buried in a shallow hole, with brush piled on top to keep wild animals away. Her children sob and shriek and in the ensuing months they often endure neglect and are far more likely to die of hunger or disease.

In some parts of Africa, a woman now has a 1-in-10 risk of dying in childbirth. The idea that U.S. policy may increase that toll is infuriating. "
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this point people couldn't possible like him less. Maybe its a plan to do all the nefarious things he hasn't managed up until now and cap it in style.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't Canada send birth control to Africa, where's Canada on this, what about the E frikken U or the wonderful Muslim World?

Why is the US responsible for Africa's sexual habit?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jandar wrote:
Can't Canada send birth control to Africa, where's Canada on this, what about the E frikken U or the wonderful Muslim World?

Why is the US responsible for Africa's sexual habit?


Anyone? Anyone?

If "the rest of the world" is so outraged by this, where, then, is "the rest of the world" and what is keeping it from acting as heroically defiant of the Great Satan as it constructs itself to be?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Jandar wrote:
Can't Canada send birth control to Africa, where's Canada on this, what about the E frikken U or the wonderful Muslim World?

Why is the US responsible for Africa's sexual habit?


Anyone? Anyone?

If "the rest of the world" is so outraged by this, where, then, is "the rest of the world" and what is keeping it from acting as heroically defiant of the Great Satan as it constructs itself to be?


http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-doners-of-foreigner-aid-map.html
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent. I see several combinations of "the rest of the world" that could easily match and exceed the massive, superpower, muy poderoso, American power here.

Where are they?

Please do not tell me that they are going to sit back and let millions of African peoples and cultures suffer the consequences for this just to score and then smugly deliver antiAmerican propaganda points. Please do not tell me that they are that shallow.

What are their plans in Africa?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Can't Canada send birth control to Africa, where's Canada on this, what about the E frikken U or the wonderful Muslim World?


Quote:
Conservative coalition

The Vatican emerged in Cairo as the prime mover of a loose coalition of Catholic and Islamic countries who oppose more family planning, more sex education, and more access to legal abortion.

These countries - motivated by strong religious convictions - include on the one hand strongly Catholic Latin American states such as Argentina and Guatemala, and on the other, Islamic African and Middle Eastern countries such as Libya, Morocco, Sudan, and Iran. There is no evidence that these countries' attitudes have changed much during the last five years, while world population continues to soar.



I agree that the blame for this sort of thing cannot be laid solely at the feet of any one power. I have to teach now, but I might write more on this later.

http://tinyurl.com/4morl3
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
I agree that the blame for this sort of thing cannot be laid solely at the feet of any one power.


Thank you for pointing out other major global institutions or coalitions apart from the American govt are involved in this. OP's position represents U.S.-centrismitis at its finest -- and most hysterical.

If some want to intervene in African affairs -- and what about African peoples and cultures, incidentally? How do they view this and what do they want, on a case-by-case basis? Does that matter to anyone here? -- then that is their business. And it seems to me that a whole range of Western European powers with or without America or Japan could easily assume leadership here -- that is, through the UN or merely as an international coalition -- and move.

What prevents them from intervening and moving in Africa?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Excellent. I see several combinations of "the rest of the world" that could easily match and exceed the massive, superpower, muy poderoso, American power here.

Where are they?

Please do not tell me that they are going to sit back and let millions of African peoples and cultures suffer the consequences for this just to score and then smugly deliver antiAmerican propaganda points. Please do not tell me that they are that shallow.

What are their plans in Africa?



I think you are unjustly blaming America here.

The US Congress supports funding for contraceptives in Africa.
The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) is the biggest supplier of contraceptives in many African countries.

It is a Presidential edict which has blocked these supplies from being sent to Marie Snopes International. Cease your Yankophobia and place the blame where it belongs.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Excellent. I see several combinations of "the rest of the world" that could easily match and exceed the massive, superpower, muy poderoso, American power here.

Where are they?

Please do not tell me that they are going to sit back and let millions of African peoples and cultures suffer the consequences for this just to score and then smugly deliver antiAmerican propaganda points. Please do not tell me that they are that shallow.

What are their plans in Africa?


Did you even read the original OP? Apparently not. Did you make any effort to find out what the UNPF actually is and how it works? Obviously the answer is no.

The United Nations Population Fund is a UN-funded body which focuses on reproductive health within poor and developing countries, among other things:
- Providing universal access to accurate information, a range of safe and affordable contraceptive methods, and sensitive counselling
- Ensuring that quality obstetric and antenatal care is available to all pregnant women
- Prevention and management of sexually transmitted infections, including HIV

Since 2002 the Bush administration has blocked US funding (despite it being approved by the US Congress) to the UNPF. The recent events go further, in that the US Agency for International Development is now enacting preventative measures to stop US-financed contraception from being provided to one of the largest clinics operating in poor African countries.

So to answer your question, the rest of the world is already shouldering all of this burden - the Bush administration has spent the last 6 years sitting on its arse doing nothing and has now become obstructionist on top of this.

You can find out more at the UNPF website http://www.unfpa.org

Gopher wrote:
and what about African peoples and cultures, incidentally? How do they view this and what do they want, on a case-by-case basis? Does that matter to anyone here? --


You will also note from their website that the UNFPA "helps governments, at their request, to formulate policies and strategies to reduce poverty and support sustainable development". So your question could easily have been answered if you had bothered to find out what this body actually does and what the background to this issue is.

And you call me hysterical.....
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coffeeNOW wrote:
Gopher wrote:
Excellent. I see several combinations of "the rest of the world" that could easily match and exceed the massive, superpower, muy poderoso, American power here.

Where are they?

Please do not tell me that they are going to sit back and let millions of African peoples and cultures suffer the consequences for this just to score and then smugly deliver antiAmerican propaganda points. Please do not tell me that they are that shallow.

What are their plans in Africa?


Did you even read the original OP? Apparently not. Did you make any effort to find out what the UNPF actually is and how it works? Obviously the answer is no.

The United Nations Population Fund is a UN-funded body which focuses on reproductive health within poor and developing countries, among other things:
- Providing universal access to accurate information, a range of safe and affordable contraceptive methods, and sensitive counselling
- Ensuring that quality obstetric and antenatal care is available to all pregnant women
- Prevention and management of sexually transmitted infections, including HIV

Since 2002 the Bush administration has blocked US funding (despite it being approved by the US Congress) to the UNPF. The recent events go further, in that the US Agency for International Development is now enacting preventative measures to stop US-financed contraception from being provided to one of the largest clinics operating in poor African countries.

So to answer your question, the rest of the world is already shouldering all of this burden - the Bush administration has spent the last 6 years sitting on its arse doing nothing and has now become obstructionist on top of this.

You can find out more at the UNPF website http://www.unfpa.org

Gopher wrote:
and what about African peoples and cultures, incidentally? How do they view this and what do they want, on a case-by-case basis? Does that matter to anyone here? --


You will also note from their website that the UNFPA "helps governments, at their request, to formulate policies and strategies to reduce poverty and support sustainable development". So your question could easily have been answered if you had bothered to find out what this body actually does and what the background to this issue is.

And you call me hysterical.....


If "the rest of the world is shouldering all of this burden" then there would be no need for any US help. Problem solved. Case closed.
I think Bush has finally taken the rest of the world's advice and decided to stop intervening in other countires affairs. Thats what everyone wants right? They should be happy.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beej wrote:
coffeeNOW wrote:
Gopher wrote:
Excellent. I see several combinations of "the rest of the world" that could easily match and exceed the massive, superpower, muy poderoso, American power here.

Where are they?

Please do not tell me that they are going to sit back and let millions of African peoples and cultures suffer the consequences for this just to score and then smugly deliver antiAmerican propaganda points. Please do not tell me that they are that shallow.

What are their plans in Africa?


Did you even read the original OP? Apparently not. Did you make any effort to find out what the UNPF actually is and how it works? Obviously the answer is no.

The United Nations Population Fund is a UN-funded body which focuses on reproductive health within poor and developing countries, among other things:
- Providing universal access to accurate information, a range of safe and affordable contraceptive methods, and sensitive counselling
- Ensuring that quality obstetric and antenatal care is available to all pregnant women
- Prevention and management of sexually transmitted infections, including HIV

Since 2002 the Bush administration has blocked US funding (despite it being approved by the US Congress) to the UNPF. The recent events go further, in that the US Agency for International Development is now enacting preventative measures to stop US-financed contraception from being provided to one of the largest clinics operating in poor African countries.

So to answer your question, the rest of the world is already shouldering all of this burden - the Bush administration has spent the last 6 years sitting on its arse doing nothing and has now become obstructionist on top of this.

You can find out more at the UNPF website http://www.unfpa.org

Gopher wrote:
and what about African peoples and cultures, incidentally? How do they view this and what do they want, on a case-by-case basis? Does that matter to anyone here? --


You will also note from their website that the UNFPA "helps governments, at their request, to formulate policies and strategies to reduce poverty and support sustainable development". So your question could easily have been answered if you had bothered to find out what this body actually does and what the background to this issue is.

And you call me hysterical.....


If "the rest of the world is shouldering all of this burden" then there would be no need for any US help. Problem solved. Case closed.
I think Bush has finally taken the rest of the world's advice and decided to stop intervening in other countires affairs. Thats what everyone wants right? They should be happy.


If your administration doesn't want to do anything about the reproductive health of the world's poor and the prevention of HIV because they would rather foist their absurd evangelical viewpoint on the rest of the world, then by all means - don't do anything about it.

But when they actively try to obstruct others who are trying to do some good then perhaps you won't mind if we point out what a complete bunch of wankers you voted for (twice).

Fair enough?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coffeeNOW wrote:
Beej wrote:
coffeeNOW wrote:
Gopher wrote:
Excellent. I see several combinations of "the rest of the world" that could easily match and exceed the massive, superpower, muy poderoso, American power here.

Where are they?

Please do not tell me that they are going to sit back and let millions of African peoples and cultures suffer the consequences for this just to score and then smugly deliver antiAmerican propaganda points. Please do not tell me that they are that shallow.

What are their plans in Africa?


Did you even read the original OP? Apparently not. Did you make any effort to find out what the UNPF actually is and how it works? Obviously the answer is no.

The United Nations Population Fund is a UN-funded body which focuses on reproductive health within poor and developing countries, among other things:
- Providing universal access to accurate information, a range of safe and affordable contraceptive methods, and sensitive counselling
- Ensuring that quality obstetric and antenatal care is available to all pregnant women
- Prevention and management of sexually transmitted infections, including HIV

Since 2002 the Bush administration has blocked US funding (despite it being approved by the US Congress) to the UNPF. The recent events go further, in that the US Agency for International Development is now enacting preventative measures to stop US-financed contraception from being provided to one of the largest clinics operating in poor African countries.

So to answer your question, the rest of the world is already shouldering all of this burden - the Bush administration has spent the last 6 years sitting on its arse doing nothing and has now become obstructionist on top of this.

You can find out more at the UNPF website http://www.unfpa.org

Gopher wrote:
and what about African peoples and cultures, incidentally? How do they view this and what do they want, on a case-by-case basis? Does that matter to anyone here? --


You will also note from their website that the UNFPA "helps governments, at their request, to formulate policies and strategies to reduce poverty and support sustainable development". So your question could easily have been answered if you had bothered to find out what this body actually does and what the background to this issue is.

And you call me hysterical.....


If "the rest of the world is shouldering all of this burden" then there would be no need for any US help. Problem solved. Case closed.
I think Bush has finally taken the rest of the world's advice and decided to stop intervening in other countires affairs. Thats what everyone wants right? They should be happy.


If your administration doesn't want to do anything about the reproductive health of the world's poor and the prevention of HIV because they would rather foist their absurd evangelical viewpoint on the rest of the world, then by all means - don't do anything about it.

But when they actively try to obstruct others who are trying to do some good then perhaps you won't mind if we point out what a complete bunch of wankers you voted for (twice).

Fair enough?


How exactly is this administration "actively obstructing others" from trying to do good? Is there a US naval blockade of European condom ships? Not sending aid is not obstructing others.
Why should this administration or any other be obligated to use American tax dollars to help any non Americans?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based upon the destruction Bush has caused to the US (and global) economy, perhaps he thinks we are going to need some fresh slaves now that it isn't even worth it for the Mexicans to work in the US.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

F**K Africa. All my life, all I've heard is "help Africa", "feed Africa", "poor Africa", "poor starving Africans", etc. I know I'm over generalizing but Africa is the black hole of aid. The longer aid keeps pouring in to Africa the longer they are going to need it. Its time to wean them off the tit and let them stand on their own two feet. Take responsibility for themselves.

Frankly I just about opposed to all forms of foreign aid. Disaster relief sure. But these long term, UN sponsored, inefficient, counter-productive programs. Cut them off.

If help must be given make it manpower and technical assistance. No more money. Throwing money at the problem hasn't helped in over 60+ years. What makes us think it will help in the future?

As to the OP. Condoms? Condoms? Condoms are cheap. STD education and family planning are the function of the home government. If the local govt can't/won't/isn't able to carry out this function. God help them because, frankly, its not my problem.

20 years ago I felt exactly the opposite. Sigh.
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