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Gopher
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 Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: W. Bush Administration Removes North Korea from List... |
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Fact Sheet
Office of the Spokesman
Washington, DC
October 11, 2008
U.S.-North Korea Understandings on Verification
The participants in the Six-Party Talks have for some time been discussing the importance of verification measures that will allow the Parties to reliably verify North Korea�s denuclearization as the process moves forward.
The Six-Party Heads of Delegation met in July to discuss verification measures, and draft papers were exchanged among the Parties.
On July 12, China, the Chair of the Six-Party Talks, released a Press Communiqu� stating that verification measures would include visits to facilities, review of documents, and interviews with technical personnel as well as other measures unanimously agreed among the Six Parties.
Upon the invitation of the North Korean government, a U.S. negotiating team on behalf of the Six Parties visited Pyongyang from October 1 � 3 for intensive talks on verification measures.
Based upon these discussions, U.S. and North Korean negotiators agreed on a number of important verification measures, including:
Agreement that experts from all Six Parties may participate in verification activities, including experts from non-nuclear states;
Agreement that the IAEA will have an important consultative and support role in verification
Agreement that experts will have access to all declared facilities and, based on mutual consent, to undeclared sites;
Agreement on the use of scientific procedures, including sampling and forensic activities; and
Agreement that all measures contained in the Verification Protocol will apply to the plutonium-based program and any uranium enrichment and proliferation activities. In addition, the Monitoring Mechanism already agreed by the Six Parties to monitor compliance with Six-Party documents applies to proliferation and uranium enrichment activities.
The U.S.-DPRK agreement on these verification measures has been codified in a joint document between the United States and North Korea and certain other understandings, and has been reaffirmed through intensive consultations. The agreement and associated understandings have been conveyed to the other parties.
These measures will serve as the baseline for a Verification Protocol to be finalized and adopted by the Six Parties in the near future.
Verification of the North Korea declaration submitted on June 26 has already begun with review of the over 18,000 pages of operating records from Yongbyon that North Korea provided on May 8. |
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Whirlwind
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| And once again, N. Korea plays the US like a fiddle. |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| It's clear the Bush Administration is tired of taking backstabbing critisizm from the McCain campaign and is trying to sabotage McCain's foreign policy position. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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DCJames: these kinds of negotiations and diplomatic outcomes do not come about the way that you suggest. Two exceptions come to mind: candidate R. Nixon and Vietnam; and candidate R. Reagan and the Iranian hostage crisis.
In any case, I strongly doubt that the W. Bush Administration simply waved its hand and brought this about in the last month or two merely to spite J. McCain. And I do not follow how this change harms McCain's position in the first place.
I remain surprised that few seem interested in discussing this here. This is not small event and it does influence your lives on the ground over there. The so-called Axis of Evil just got one member smaller...
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WASHINGTON October 12, 2008, 12:41 am ET � After North Korea relented on nuclear inspection demands, the U.S. on Saturday erased from a terrorism blacklist the communist country President [W.] Bush once branded part of an "axis of evil."
The U.S. step, assailed by some conservatives who say it is sketchy and rewards North Korea's bad behavior, is aimed at salvaging a faltering disarmament accord before President [W.] Bush leaves office in January.
State Department officials said the inspection agreement and the decision to take North Korea off the state sponsors of terrorism list were in the interests of national security and consistent with the "action for action" principle of the negotiations.
[W.] Bush approved the action on Friday and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice followed suit Saturday.
"Every single element of verification that we sought going in is part of this package," her spokesman, Sean McCormack, told reporters at a rare weekend briefing. The North's removal from the list was effective immediately.
The terrorism designation -- now shared only by Cuba, Iran, Syria and Sudan -- carries severe penalties... |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The so-called Axis of Evil just got one member smaller... |
No problem, I am sure Syria will be up to take its place. For those who missed it:
ANGERED BY SNUBBING, LIBYA, CHINA, SYRIA FORM AXIS OF JUST AS EVIL
Cuba, Sudan, Serbia Form Axis of Somewhat Evil; Other Nations Start Own Clubs
Beijing (SatireWire.com) � Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the "Axis of Evil," Libya, China, and Syria today announced they had formed the "Axis of Just as Evil," which they said would be way eviler than that stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of his State of the Union address.
Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name. "Right. They are Just as Evil... in their dreams!" declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. "Everybody knows we're the best evils... best at being evil... we're the best."
Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could join the Axis of Evil.
"They told us it was full," said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"An Axis can't have more than three countries," explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "This is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the evil Axis. So you can only have three. And a secret handshake. Ours is wicked cool."
THE AXIS PANDEMIC
International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as within minutes, France surrendered.
Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what became a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan, and Serbia said they had formed the Axis of Somewhat Evil, forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in the Axis of Occasionally Evil, while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established the Axis of Not So Much Evil Really As Just Generally Disagreeable.
With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics; Canada, Mexico, and Australia formed the Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Nasty Thoughts About America, while Spain, Scotland, and New Zealand established the Axis of Countries That Sometimes Ask Sheep to Wear Lipstick.
"That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do," said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell.
While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most axes, although he rejected the establishment of the Axis of Countries Whose Names End in "Guay," accusing one of its members of filing a false application. Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges.
Israel, meanwhile, insisted it didn't want to join any Axis, but privately, world leaders said that's only because no one asked them.
Sorry, I just couldn't resist. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| The North Koreans are willing to make a lot of noise, but they want some sort of rapprochement. They do want the attention of the U.S. and South Korea. They want to feel they've accomplished something before completing shutting down and to feel that, they, in the North Korean regime, achieved some kind of face-saving and political victory. I didn't really think North Korea was a major threat or intended to really go against the U.S. Gopher, people are more concerned about the global financial crisis. However, this story is important. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer: I do not know where you learned this. But I have noted it often in your posts. You may want to take care not to make such grandiose and sweeping statements regarding whole classes of people's motives. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Adventurer: I do not know where you learned this. But I have noted it often in your posts. You may want to take care not to make such grandiose and sweeping statements regarding whole classes of people's motives. |
So, you don't think the North Koreans are trying to get the attention of the US with their saber rattling? I think many people have said that.
I do believe the North Koreans (not the people, the regime) want to appear victorious somehow in a political sense. There is no whole class of people in North Korea, just the people in power. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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I would narrow your "North Korea" and "North Koreans" to Kim Jung Il, a personalist dictator, and his supporters (or assuming he may have died, his successor and his supporters). That is who this thread addresses, apart from the W. Bush Administration and those officials at State who have been working on this aspect of American foreign policy.
And what Kim Jung Il thinks, wants, and intends to do is a good question. Where do you get your information on this? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
I would narrow your "North Korea" and "North Koreans" to Kim Jung Il, a personalist dictator, and his supporters (or assuming he may have died, his successor and his supporters). That is who this thread addresses, apart from the W. Bush Administration and those officials at State who have been working on this aspect of American foreign policy.
And what Kim Jung Il thinks, wants, and intends to do is a good question. Where do you get your information on this? |
I was referring to the government, and I used the words the North Korean regime as well. I am sure you saw it above. After I stated " I am well-aware from documentaries and politics that the North Korean people have no say in their own affairs. I was referring only to the regime seeking to save face. Though they are a disgrace to their people, the regime's representatives are North Koreans. However, it is better to only say the North Korean regime and not North Koreans. I used both, and I used the words North Koreans in reference to the government, not the people. The people basically don't exist politically. That's how I approach it, and I think it's sad.
What I did read about Kim Jung Il son of Kim Il Sung was that he does like Western products, that he does not seem according to what I have read to want a conflict with the United States. That is what I stated long ago even before Pyongyang agreed to what they agreed to a few months. Pyongyang is into saber rattling, and the U.S. Government really has so many fires to deal with in terms of Iraq, the Syrians, Iran, and a financial crisis, and North Korea wants to be off that list as the North Korean regime demanded. I do believe that's a face-saving move in connection to them completely giving up their program. I do believe they are willing to cooperate, but it's at a price. They do want U.S. aid.
I am going by instinct from what I've read about the regime.
I have also read that the regime has wanted reassurance that the U.S. will not try to take him out of power. I have read different things about the regime off-and-on ever since I've come to South Korea. I find that regime interesting.
I cannot prove what I am stating, but I believe firmly based on what I've read that the government of North Korea wants to come out of this looking as if they gained something significant, did not simply do what the US wanted, the way the U.S. wants it, but at the same time showing they want rapprochement, and are more than willing to strike a deal.
Many people could come up with a similar conclusion based on the behavior of the regime. I don't think that the North Koreans see that they have anything to gain with a confrontation with the U.S. At any rate, you must consider they need some aid to keep their regime's machine going. I am sure you can see the logic behind that. I am more concerned with Iran. Iran is more ideological than North Korea. In the old days, North Korea was more ideological, but not so much anymore. |
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