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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: What would you do about potential mass murderers? |
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The tragedy in CO reminds me that I know some guys that could go off and kill a bunch of people as well. The shooter's mother's reaction of telling LEO that they got the right person seems eerily similar to how I imagine I'd react if someone were to inform me that the guys I know killed a bunch of people.
I have tangential relationships with two guys. I don't know their day-to-day activities, but I have learned indirectly that they:
- are stockpiling guns and ammo in immense amounts (e.g. 12-20 guns; 20,000 rounds)
- walking around in body armor all day for practice
- one of them is already diagnosed as mentally ill by the state and receives disability as a result. I suspect the other one does as well but am not certain. He has told me that he planned on being certified insane so that his parents won't face any legal liability when he goes and kills people
- at least one of them has an extensive hit list of people he plans on killing
- at least one of them is a very accomplished paintball player. He considers it practice for when he goes nuts.
- they have trouble distinguishing reality from fantasy. Some days they are more lucid than others.
Even knowing all this about them, my friends and I don't know what to do. They haven't committed any crimes yet and no one wants to tick them off as you never know what will set them off. My only consolation is that they haven't done anything in the 20 years I've known them, so I hope that nothing does happen in the future.
I'm sure that the CO shooter's friends and family felt the same way. They knew that there was something wrong with this guy, yet there was nothing they could do about it.
What would you do if you were in this situation? |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: What would you do about potential mass murderers? |
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| madoka wrote: |
| What would you do if you were in this situation? |
Probably walk into a police station and tell them everything you just typed here. I'm not sure about your locale, but there are probably plenty of laws restricting firearms ownership for people with mental conditions. If the police do nothing, consider going to their parents.
If all else fails, see if you can channel that destructive energy into something positive. You know the scene in Firefly where Mal dresses up as an old lady to ambush some highwaymen? Get him to dress up as an old lady and trawl back alleys until someone tries to mug him. Plenty of people in this world need killin', it'd be a tragedy AND a waste of talent to kill innocents. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: What would you do about potential mass murderers? |
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| comm wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
| What would you do if you were in this situation? |
Probably walk into a police station and tell them everything you just typed here. I'm not sure about your locale, but there are probably plenty of laws restricting firearms ownership for people with mental conditions. If the police do nothing, consider going to their parents. |
I've thought about this. In reality, despite my fears, they haven't broken any real laws outside of the possible gun ownership thing. One of them went to high school with me. We all knew him when he wasn't so mentally ill. Now we sit around wondering when/if he's going to snap. It hasn't happened in over 20 years, but who knows.
Both take immense pride in their gun collections. I know one of them likes to brag about the $25,000 he's spent on guns and ammo. If they were to lose that collection, guess who would shoot up to number one on their hit list? Plus, it could also be the spark that makes them finally lose their grip with reality and confirms their paranoia about how everyone's out to get them. I know one has prepared for the day the police come after him. Rope ladders for escape, weapons caches in strategic locations, video survelliance in the directions he thinks the police will come at him, etc.
Their parents already know what their sons are doing, but years of living with them have made them numb to the situation, much like the CO shooter's mom. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: What would you do about potential mass murderers? |
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| madoka wrote: |
I know one has prepared for the day the police come after him. Rope ladders for escape, weapons caches in strategic locations, video survelliance in the directions he thinks the police will come at him, etc.
Their parents already know what their sons are doing, but years of living with them have made them numb to the situation, much like the CO shooter's mom. |
That would be another thing to include when you talk to the police, by the way. Report it anonymously if you like, but do it now. These laws exist for a reason. More importantly though, how will you feel if one of them goes for it and you've done nothing? To me, that's a lot scarier than the possibility of retribution for going to the police. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: What would you do about potential mass murderers? |
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| comm wrote: |
| That would be another thing to include when you talk to the police, by the way. Report it anonymously if you like, but do it now. These laws exist for a reason. More importantly though, how will you feel if one of them goes for it and you've done nothing? To me, that's a lot scarier than the possibility of retribution for going to the police. |
What scares me is that going to the police may be the tipping point that gets them to act on their fantasies. How could you live with knowing that you started this guy's rampage?
It's not like the police will take their guns away and they say, "oh well, I guess I'll go collect stamps." No, they are going to their guns the police didn't find and flip out on those they suspect of betraying them. Plus one of them may never have been diagnosed as mentally ill. What can you say to the police? "That guy really creeps me out; go take his guns please. BTW, in the last 20 years I've known him, he hasn't done anything wrong."
I empathize with the CO shooter's mom. Her son didn't do anything wrong up till the point he started killing people. Even though she knew something was wrong, there really was nothing to report and little she could do to stop him. Same as with the VT shooter. His family knew as well, but what can you do when he hasn't violated any laws and quite frankly, he may never violate any laws? Their unpredictability is what makes them so dangerous. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:51 am Post subject: |
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Would Federal police be any better? Perhaps on some watch list, or something?
I don't know, you'd think that there'd be something reasonable to do. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:27 am Post subject: Re: What would you do about potential mass murderers? |
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| madoka wrote: |
one of them is already diagnosed as mentally ill by the state and receives disability as a result. I suspect the other one does as well but am not certain. He has told me that he planned on being certified insane so that his parents won't face any legal liability when he goes and kills people
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When he was diagnosed as mentally ill by the state what where the state psychiatrists motivated by? Who were they trying to help? Mental diagnoses are notoriously poorly defined and many times are used by society to do nothing other expediate dealing with difficult people, provide pay and prestige for the psychiatrists and often do not help the patients who need help. Society still views mentaly ill people negatively and there is probably about a 50-50 chance of a person being helped or being harmed by psychiatry in my opinion.
His cynicism brings this fact out. He probably wants to kill people because of the abuse and crap that people are allowed to dish out to him and psychiatry facilitates the abuse with thier shoddy diagnoses that are available for anyone who wishes to have them applied to him. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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worse cases of murder happen everyday in Africa.
the middle east, east timor, pakistan,
Im not talking about one guy killing 12 people, I am talking about one guy controlling hundreds if not thousands of people arming them with machine guns and telling them to go kill people!
American Media always want to report the little things, but no one wants to address the real problems going on!
that takes Actors and celebrities to try and get that message out there, but still nowhere near as much coverage that james Holmes and the BATMAN murders have gotten.
12 people died, and it's like world war 3 has broken out..
didn't hear anything about the 100's of children murdered last year in the congo did you? |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
worse cases of murder happen everyday in Africa.
the middle east, east timor, pakistan,
Im not talking about one guy killing 12 people, I am talking about one guy controlling hundreds if not thousands of people arming them with machine guns and telling them to go kill people!
American Media always want to report the little things, but no one wants to address the real problems going on!
that takes Actors and celebrities to try and get that message out there, but still nowhere near as much coverage that james Holmes and the BATMAN murders have gotten.
12 people died, and it's like world war 3 has broken out..
didn't hear anything about the 100's of children murdered last year in the congo did you? |
Maybe the fact that the American media is charged with reporting on America has something to do with it. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Obviously the answer to preventing Mass Murderers is to do whatever it is that the Israelis do. In terms of number of people wanting to mass murder them and using whatever means possible, and the rather limited success that occurs, given the number of attempts, they must be doing something right. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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you can try www.wetip.com
I've used them before regarding a woman that was running a brothel in her apt which was also paid for by Section 8. long story but at any rate it was all anonymous and she was out within about 3 months later - after having been there for many years.
whenever you do come across a situation that begs to be investigated, it's really best not to just pick up the phone and dial a random police number. you want to make sure you are in contact with a detective division and that your call is handled properly. of course it's still sometimes a hit and miss situation but all the same, try and do what you can to get the information into the right hands. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Obviously the answer to preventing Mass Murderers is to do whatever it is that the Israelis do. In terms of number of people wanting to mass murder them and using whatever means possible, and the rather limited success that occurs, given the number of attempts, they must be doing something right. |
I really think you need to start reading the posts before typing up your own knee-jerk reaction to the thread title, Steelrails  |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Do attention-*beep* mass murdering lunatics act out within a short time of each other? I doubt it, so I think the cops would receive your call and file it with the thousands of others they've probably received in the last couple days. Sure contact them and ask advice, but be prepared to do so again in a couple weeks. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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imagine there was CNN when the first white settlers arrived on the USA,
and when they started to go out and MASS MURDER all the Indians with the blessing of the crown. ohh the British! they were ruthless.
wonder if people would be going "OH MY GOD" how could they? ohh no!
the horror.. why why why?
we are talking about a country which has bled blood from the beginning ,
stolen land, with forced labor from stolen people! mass murder is all over the ground we walk on!
did you know that in the 1960's.. yes that's right. 1960s interracial marriages were ILLEGAL! .................ILLEGAL!
blacks were not allowed in the same parks, schools, bus stops and were not allowed to drink from the same water fountains as whites!
this is our lovely America! this is the land of the free? the home of the brave?............... really?
still debating gay marriage, gun ownership and religion. seriously?
sorry, but America really has issues, so don't ever think you are going to see change. the change I think America will see, is when one day it pisses off the wrong country. because the bully can't just keep going around flexing it's mussels and build an empire under peoples noses without someone saying. "Hey that's enough"
America seriously needs reform. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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*newsflash* there's always been dissent in the U.S. (and before)
not everyone agreed with the way the indigenous people were treated and there were abolutionists since whenever.
but yes, you are definitely right about American neededing reform. only this time, those who have taken control have done so on a global basis and it's now not just America's problem/issues/fault |
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