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Native English Teacher? You mean English Speaking Janitor
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Native English Teacher? You mean English Speaking Janitor Reply with quote

My vice principal came by my classroom today and inspected my office. I share my office with my coteacher and because its just the 2 of us in there, we don't keep it clean like a museum.

Well, my coteacher is off in Yongin for some workshop so my VP tells me to come to his office after class. I go there and he reams me out for a good 15-20 minutes about how dirty the classroom is and how messy the office is. He orders me to have both the classroom and office spotless within 2 days.

In our office we have no bookshelves, no storage containers, nothing. We have to stack books/papers on extra chairs. My classroom is the biggest one in the school but I have no cleaning supplies, no vacuum, and a tiny trashcan.

I usually do what I can but when you have 800 different kids go in and out of the classroom every week, its hard to keep it in pristine condition. Some 6th grade students are assigned to clean the classroom and office, but I haven't seen them come by in a couple weeks. I'm guessing they thought they could just slack off since their exams were finished.

There is one positive thing about all this. The only thing my VP could complain about is how clean the office/classroom is. I guess he doesn't have any problems with my teaching, conduct, or anything else.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try to get some Korean teachers to assign kids to clean. Pick up anything that's personally yours. After that, whether the kids clean or not, explain that you took responsibility for your personal things and that cleaning classrooms is not part of your contract. Organization of teaching materials is one thing. Using mops and being a janitor is another.
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soju pizza



Joined: 21 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them that you own the classroom, and that they must clean it for you, and that their parents must bribe you with envelopes of money.
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aaabank



Joined: 27 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
Try to get some Korean teachers to assign kids to clean.


Or find the students who are assigned to clean the classroom and tell them yourself. Kids, and people in general, are lazy. If nobody is actually holding them accountable, they will naturally slack off. Like another poster mentioned, tidy up your own paperwork, and leave the janitorial work to the students (because most schools here are too cheap to pay real custodians).
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, how I would like to have been in your position just for that one meeting.
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Suwoner10



Joined: 10 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them you are a teacher, not a maid.
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T-dot



Joined: 16 May 2004
Location: bundang

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Your partner is at a seminar about foreign teachers.

2) Ask one of the korean teachers to assign a kid to clean your office as a form of punishment.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep my classroom clean by co-opting some Ss in the last class of the day.
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KYC



Joined: 11 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't even have my own classroom. I share a classroom with the computer teacher/tae kwon do teacher/etc. I jsut like things clean. I make sure the kids clean any mess they brought or made otherwise they are not allowed to leave. The teachers think I'm crazy for doing it but I just like having things organized.
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icnelly



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
I keep my classroom clean by co-opting some Ss in the last class of the day.


Mine tend to be the misbehaving ones --> You want to write on my desk? you can wash them all off and sweep the floor.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

icnelly wrote:
spliff wrote:
I keep my classroom clean by co-opting some Ss in the last class of the day.


Mine tend to be the misbehaving ones --> You want to write on my desk? you can wash them all off and sweep the floor.


yeah, i recently freaked out a bit when i saw the desks in the English Zone. i haven't used it for some time b/c the kids treat it like a giant play-pen (designed poorly) and the heater is broken, however one of my co-teachers was using it, and the desks were covered in ink and pencil and white-out!! whole murals on the tables! the kids never did that in my extra classes or camps.
anyways, we got some kids to help us clean them a bit (some just won't come off) and the kids haven't been in there since (mainly b/c there's no heat, but also b/c they were wreaking stuff that's pretty new). it's a shame, i'd like to have classes in there
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: Native English Teacher? You mean English Speaking Janit Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
...he reams me out for a good 15-20 minutes about how dirty the classroom is and how messy the office is. He orders me to have both the classroom and office spotless within 2 days.

Laughing The director/owner of the mom and pop hagwon I'm at cleans the classrooms himself and whenever I try to help he quickly rushes up to take over the task. I used to clean my room at my last hagwon but never got any power trip or lecture or order about what to do, only kind indirect face-saving communication.

And if I ever got treated like you just did I'd walk.

That's the thing about public schools and principals: they don't give a flying fig about you because their jobs are secured and their money isn't at all tied to your performance or lack thereof.
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MissT



Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's so strange that the students don't clean your room.

At my public school I have a set of 8 first grade middle school students who are assigned to clean my classroom every day. They certainly aren't the best cleaners in the world, but they sweep the floor and take out the trash. Every once in a while I motivate them to clean things well by helping wash windows and desks. I do tidy my own desk and cupboards where I store materials.

Korean teacher's aren't asked to clean, but they do supervise and help out if they feel so inclined. I don't think you should be asked to clean up after 800 students. How about suggesting that some students be assigned to your room and you'll supervise?

Just a thought. Good luck with that!
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked for a public school for a year and ended up doing some (but not a lot) of work to help clean the classroom. There was typically a class assigned to clean the classroom, but most of the time they were lazy and did a poor job. Finally I got to the point where I started going back to their homeroom teacher and complaining and they started to shape up.

I agree with what BB said, if there is not already, get some of the students assigned to help clean on a regular basis. Be prepared to pitch in a bit, but certainly don't get stuck doing all of it.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Native English Teacher? You mean English Speaking Janit Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
In our office we have no bookshelves, no storage containers, nothing. We have to stack books/papers on extra chairs. My classroom is the biggest one in the school but I have no cleaning supplies, no vacuum, and a tiny trashcan.

Sounds like an excellent oppotunity to get the VP to buy you new shit for your office and classroom. Nice new bookshelves and filing cabinets, for one.
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