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My top students are so enthusiastic ... and racist
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: My top students are so enthusiastic ... and racist Reply with quote

So I've been experimenting with the idea of getting a couple of my higher-level classes to do pen-friend exchanges. The students with whom I spoke seemed really excited about the idea. I found a few teachers on the Net, one from Morroco and one from Kuwait, who seemed quite interested. Great I thought. Well when I told the class I immediately got 'Can we do England? Can we do USA? Morroco no like, dirty' and things like that.

'The only teachers I found happen to be in Morroco and Kuwait' I explained.

'We want England or USA' they continued whining.

So I told the ones who were most heart-set on finding a pen-friend from England or America that they could come see me in the staff room and we could find an individual pen-friend through an exchange site. A small group came to see me yesterday and we found a few sites. Of course they all want a boy (they're all girls) 17-18 years old. On one site there happened to be a boy, aged 17, from England. Assa, sounds perfect. We read over his info and he says he speaks English and Hindi. 'Hindi, what is Hindi?'

'The most used language in India' I explain. 'His parents probably come from India'.

'Oh no, no, no ... another'. Rolling Eyes

I found another web site from America that acutally has photos - wow. I clicked the 'M' and '15-20' options on the search function. Well, you can guess what they thought of anyone who wasn't white.

I have to admit that I just don't have the will-power to make the effort even to try to bother to change such misconceptions anymore.
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sharkey



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats awful, when I was young I never even thought about race.... Still don't really ... cultural differences I guess ....
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say it's more ignorant than racist. They just don't know. And American TV and movies don't help much. Racism is more about harming someone.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There aren't many excuses for not being colorblind. Taking a stance against certain cultures is fine, but judging color isn't. The racism may be caused by stupidity, but then again, it usually is.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marlow wrote:
There aren't many excuses for not being colorblind. Taking a stance against certain cultures is fine, but judging color isn't. The racism may be caused by stupidity, but then again, it usually is.


Very few people are trully colourblind. A Huge number of votes in the upcoming US elections will be decided based upon race, and that's the US, one of the most multi-cultural countries in the world. Now transfer that to korea where 98% of the population is korean, and look at their exposure to foriegners: the korean press is very negative towards all foreigners, Hollywood movies, Western music is pretty negative towards non-white's. (e.g. HipHop music doesn't portray black's in a positive light, nor do movies for the most part - excluding action movies.)

Then finally, actual foreigner exposure is limited to, English teachers (mostly white), US army (quite multicultural, and at times very unpopular) and 3D workers. Of the 3, English teachers are looked upon with the highest regard (best of a bad bunch). The few CEO's, high ranking business people etc that are seen in Korea are mostly white. (i.e. the billboards for Kyobo have the picture of their white CEO, an ad showing the black CEO wouldn't go down well.)

Another issue related to the OP, is the students might very well want English penpals. ESL students from Morocco, Kuwait (or perhaps even France etc) would seem to be a bit of a half measure. And the average Korean's perception of the ideal English speaker(teacher) is a blonde-haired, blue-eyed North American (with writing, accent doesn't count, so I guess brits are Ok^^)
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharkey wrote:
thats awful, when I was young I never even thought about race.... Still don't really ... cultural differences I guess ....


you must be fair-skinned huh?

people of color regularly have incidents in their childhoods to remind them who they are - fair skinned people often grow up not truly understanding the differences in color hence the difficulty many have of believing in actual harm done by racist policies.

for the OP - I had stuents once who approached me about pen pals and when I took the time to find someone for them to write back in the U.S. - guess what - they'd changed their minds -

they just wanted to ask for something, I suppose, a kind of practice for them, not really understanding it might actually happen - tho in your situation, that's really pathetic, oh well.

good try - hang in there -
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a student say "Ghandi, Ghandi, nigger, nigger" the other day when we were looking at stamps from various English speaking nations. My policy, usually is to ignore bad language but anything that could potentially cause issues in a western country I crack down on.

It was simply ignorance on the students part and I was lucky I have a good co-teacher at that school who backed me up. But I could definitely see a Korean exchange student getting into all sorts of strife at an American high school through such a cultural/social mis-step.
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hari seldon



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only Indians these students have ever seen in person were 3Ds riding the subway. They probably couldn't show you where India is on a map or say anything rational about its inhabitants..
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Bread



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a story my coworker in Japan told me:

Once, he was teaching a lesson about jobs. He would show a card with a person, and the student would say eg "She is a waitress."

There was one card that had a black man wearing a doctor's coat and a stethoscope.

The student said "He is a basketball player."
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the double post. But I tend to make a distinction between what happened here, which I would consider prejudice (or prejudism) and racism. Racist is being denied service (Korean telcos anyone?), as well as much more obvious examples. Simply socially avoiding someone 'cos they aren't the same colour as you is more prejudiced than racist in my opinion.

I remember in primary school my best friend was an Egyptian kid but my arch nemesis was a Philipino kid. I always resented that I got in so much trouble from the principal for not getting along with him. The racism word was even bandied about, for a 7 year old?

I just don't think it's possible for a child to be intentionally racist.
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The_Source



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bread wrote:
Here's a story my coworker in Japan told me:

Once, he was teaching a lesson about jobs. He would show a card with a person, and the student would say eg "She is a waitress."

There was one card that had a black man wearing a doctor's coat and a stethoscope.

The student said "He is a basketball player."


Dr. J?
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The student said "He is a basketball player."


Dr. J?


Haha. this is genuinely funny. You can't really get mad at a kid for this sort of thing. You wouldn't hold it against a white kid for this sort of thing.
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Bread



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Source wrote:
Bread wrote:
Here's a story my coworker in Japan told me:

Once, he was teaching a lesson about jobs. He would show a card with a person, and the student would say eg "She is a waitress."

There was one card that had a black man wearing a doctor's coat and a stethoscope.

The student said "He is a basketball player."


Dr. J?


Hahaha, I wish I'd thought of that when he told me the story.
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Bread



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Shackleford wrote:
Quote:
The student said "He is a basketball player."


Dr. J?


Haha. this is genuinely funny. You can't really get mad at a kid for this sort of thing. You wouldn't hold it against a white kid for this sort of thing.


Well, this was an adult. I think he said it was a salaryman.
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bread wrote:

Well, this was an adult. I think he said it was a salaryman.


Not all Japs are salarymen, racist!!

YBS, just tell your students that white people don't like to talk to Koreans. I really wouldn't have tried to help a student satisfy their own prejudices. "It's Assa, or you can get out of my office".
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