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Why is USA 'MEE-GUK' in Hangul
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citizen erased



Joined: 06 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:43 am    Post subject: Why is USA 'MEE-GUK' in Hangul Reply with quote

Most countries get to be called their actual name.



Why would anyone hold the US to a different standard?
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i4NI



Joined: 17 May 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of countries don't get called their actual names in English neither. Look at Korea, Japan, China, Germany, etc

As for why is it 美國? I think it was China who came up with the Mi Gook first and Korea followed, but meaning wise I have no idea.
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GreenlightmeansGO



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some examples, so you don't feel victimised (I could type these in Hangeul, but it's too much stress and I dunno if you can read it. The language is Hanguk-mal, or Hanguk-eo, by the way):

England - Yeonguk (I would guess from yeong-eo, which is Korean for Englishee)
Thailand - Taeguk
China - Junguk
Japan - Ilbon
Germany - Dok-Il
South Africa - Nam Apurika (Africa) OR Nam Ah-gong

That's the way the cookie crumbles. There's no trend to it.

An interesting question to look into is 'why did the Americans in Vietnam call the Vietnamese 'gooks'?'
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CA-NA-DA-ABC



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this one. Mee-gook (America) is pronounced "mei-guo" in Chinese. the "mei" portion comes from "America" (A-mei-ri-ca, get it?)

"guo" (gook) simply means country.

the character 美 means "beautiful," but in Japan I think that character is substituted by 米 which has the same pronunciation but means "rice"

edit to add this point: as a general rule, countries that had contacts with Korea early (like during the times when Korea used to be a kingdom) are more likely to have Koreanized names. This is a reason why immediate neighbours like China and Japan, and western powers like the States, Russia and Germany have Koreanized names.

The trend nowadays is to refer to countries by their native language names (eg. Canada is Ca-na-da and East Timor is Dong-timor) if they don't have Koreanized names already.
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Kimbop



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautiful country.
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Teelo



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Australia gets a korean name, but New Zealand doesn't Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meeegoook. I remember how the US Army veterans who fought in Vietnam called the Vietnamese people, "goooks." I was under the impression that many Asian countries refer to a person as a gook even though the American war veterans commonly used the word in a derogatory fashion.
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Whistleblower



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

France, Spain and Italy have their own Hancha equivalent of country names but it eludes me. Any help out there?
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d-rail



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is what i was told from a korean...miguk literally means beautiful country. mi means beauty. it came from the Chinese character. Gook - country.
something i have often wondered about was the slang word "gook" for asians. people are saying it came from the veitnam war period, but is it possible that it came from the korean war period? a korean sees an american and they say miguk. the american, not knowing any korean, takes it as me gook. You gook? ok, lets go shoot those stinkin commies gook.
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ardis



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always think it's kind of amusing when someone starts a topic trying to further show how Koreans are being prejudiced against Americans, only to learn that they just opened their big mouths without doing any form of research. Bravo.
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zappadelta



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CA-NA-DA-ABC wrote:
I know this one. Mee-gook (America) is pronounced "mei-guo" in Chinese. the "mei" portion comes from "America" (A-mei-ri-ca, get it?)

"guo" (gook) simply means country.

the character 美 means "beautiful," but in Japan I think that character is substituted by 米 which has the same pronunciation but means "rice"

edit to add this point: as a general rule, countries that had contacts with Korea early (like during the times when Korea used to be a kingdom) are more likely to have Koreanized names. This is a reason why immediate neighbours like China and Japan, and western powers like the States, Russia and Germany have Koreanized names.

The trend nowadays is to refer to countries by their native language names (eg. Canada is Ca-na-da and East Timor is Dong-timor) if they don't have Koreanized names already.



Your point about Mi Gook is correct.
I don't understand the Russia thing. I have only heard Russia be called 'Russia' by Koreans. Is there another word?
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cobright



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mee-guk is a transliteration of the chinese Mei-guo which intentionally means Beautiful Country. When USA and China met it really was a pretty place to live.

The Japanese intentialy used Rice-land in their original term for America because that's what they got from us originally. They bought up our "amber waves of grain" in the form of rice imports. Japan has historically been unable to reliably feed itself without imports (which they hated to do) and here comes a country that can feed them with a hundredth of our ag. capacity. Rice-Land
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Otherside



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whistleblower wrote:
France, Spain and Italy have their own Hancha equivalent of country names but it eludes me. Any help out there?


Yes, but in Korea they are referred to by the Original names. France, Italia etc, (or the closest Korean equivelant i.e. Peuranseu Wink )

For the record, I've only ever heard of Russia being referred to as Russia, (I've even asked if it has a "korean" name, and the answer was no, and on all maps it is the Korean equilelant of Russia).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russia is Russia in Korea.
When it was the U.S.S.R it was called So-Ryun (소련).
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CA-NA-DA-ABC



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cobright wrote:
Mee-guk is a transliteration of the chinese Mei-guo which intentionally means Beautiful Country. When USA and China met it really was a pretty place to live.


the term Mei-guo has a phonetic origin, just like many other foreign-originated Chinese words. For example, when the telephone was first brought in to Korea it was called 德津風 (덕진풍, duk-jin-poong) because it was the combination of characters most phonetically similar to the word te-le-phone, rather than because of the meaning of those characters. Same thing for America and Mei-guo.


zappadelta wrote:
I don't understand the Russia thing. I have only heard Russia be called 'Russia' by Koreans. Is there another word?

Otherside wrote:
For the record, I've only ever heard of Russia being referred to as Russia, (I've even asked if it has a "korean" name, and the answer was no, and on all maps it is the Korean equilelant of Russia).

640x480 wrote:

Russia is Russia in Korea.
When it was the U.S.S.R it was called So-Ryun (소련).


Russia in ancient Korean is 아라사 (Ahrasa) or 아국 (Ah-gook).
So-Ryun is short for Soviet Yunbang (Soviet Federation).


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