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How common is overtime at public schools?

 
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Sulla



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:09 am    Post subject: How common is overtime at public schools? Reply with quote

I am wondering about this. I am thinking about accepting a public school job in Busan and I would like to get as many hours of overtime as possible. Is it very likely or just case by case at each individual school? Or should I accept a public school job in Gyeonggido? Would the odds of getting overtime be better there?
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: How common is overtime at public schools? Reply with quote

Sulla wrote:
I am wondering about this. I am thinking about accepting a public school job in Busan and I would like to get as many hours of overtime as possible. Is it very likely or just case by case at each individual school? Or should I accept a public school job in Gyeonggido? Would the odds of getting overtime be better there?


If the program isn't there, then you can start one.....however there are some schools that already have a deal whereby some hagwon runs the after school program itself...

As for hours, I think most people say they do 4-5 hours or so of it week....since I'm starting a program my school gives me the option. Laughing
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the individual school. Unless it it written into the contract there are no guarantees. However, the chances are more likely than not that you will be asked to do 'overtime' (K terminology - "extended works"), or teach more than 22 classes per week (usually) within your regular hours.

I have read of people who want 'overtime' and can't get any. I've been offered tons of 'overtime' and turned it down - I value my time more than the money - except this term, when once a week, I do stay 45 min. late (part of my 22 classes/week) to teach an advanced class in exchange for 2 hours credit toward extra holidays during winter vacation. I could negotiate this because it's a situation not coverd by the contract or foreseen by the 'powers that be'. The only guidance was the K-Labor Standatds Act which stated one gets a bonus of at least 50% of regular wages i.e. time-and-a half, for extended works (more the 8 hrs./day or 40 hrs./week).
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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that there's a definite correlation between school size and the likelihood of extra earning potential. The bigger the school, the bigger the chance of spinning out some extra lessons. Certainly true at both of my small 180 student schools and is perhaps the biggest draw back as far as opting to teach in smaller towns as opposed to the large urban municipalities.
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KYC



Joined: 11 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BS.Dos. wrote:
I think that there's a definite correlation between school size and the likelihood of extra earning potential. The bigger the school, the bigger the chance of spinning out some extra lessons. Certainly true at both of my small 180 student schools and is perhaps the biggest draw back as far as opting to teach in smaller towns as opposed to the large urban municipalities.


Not true. Last year, my PS had a total of 70 students. I never had any overtime. This year, my PS has over 1000 students. I only have 2 hours of overtime each week. They already have a contract with a nearby hogwan like Ukon mentioned. At first they asked me if I wanted to run the program, I agreed but suddenly they went with the hogwan. It was cheaper for them to pay the hogwan than to pay me. Even with my 2 hours of overtime a week, I have to teach from the curriculum the hogwan chose. And it's crap...pure crap.
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BS.Dos.



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I think your school is probably the exception rather than the rule then. Seems that most on here who pull-in extra classes are in schools that are larger rather than smaller.

The fact that you never had any OT at your previous small school, but get 2-hours per week now at your bigger school confirms as much.
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friends who work at elementary schools don't get as much over time as myself and my friends at middle/high schools. Last semester, I got paid for eight overtime hours a week. I was constantly lesson planning for them, though, and I think they realized that I wasn't enjoying them so they asked if I wanted to only do four a week this semester. It's a lot better for me now.
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elavndrc



Joined: 15 Oct 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really think the amount of overtime depends on the school. I just have to teach for an hour once a week for after-school classes. Within that hour, I split myself between two classes.

I think overtime only counts if you are teaching correct? Because I usually stay after an hour or two everyday after the 4:30PM mark for foreign teachers. It just feels wrong to see everyone working and you're leaving so early. Neutral
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elavndrc wrote:
I usually stay after an hour or two everyday after the 4:30PM mark for foreign teachers. It just feels wrong to see everyone working and you're leaving so early. Neutral


Then you're an idiot!

Do you think the K-teachers will come in for a month during winter vacation when you're teaching a camp and/or forced to sit in the office and do nothing until 4:30?
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elavndrc wrote:
Because I usually stay after an hour or two everyday after the 4:30PM mark for foreign teachers. It just feels wrong to see everyone working and you're leaving so early. Neutral


When I first came to my school last year, I felt bad, as well. So during my second month, I started staying until around 5:00. Within a few days, my co-teachers were coming up and asking, "Why are you here? Go home! It's okay!" And now that I am more aware in the staff room, I definitely notice a lot of the other teachers getting their purses and jackets on starting around 4:25...then they just sit and wait it out until exactly 4:30.
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