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Troll_Bait
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jkelly80
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Location: you boys like mexico?
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| I don't get it. It mentions the factors such as loneliness and having to adapt to a new culture as contributing to a difficult adjustment, but never explains why the rate is much lower among other groups (Indians, Chinese). Why not address the reasons why this is specifically such a problem with Koreans? |
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Smee
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| I don't get it. It mentions the factors such as loneliness and having to adapt to a new culture as contributing to a difficult adjustment, but never explains why the rate is much lower among other groups (Indians, Chinese). Why not address the reasons why this is specifically such a problem with Koreans? |
American schools are biased against Korean people. Clearly. It's just not fair. They don't understand Korean people's unique sentiment.
The Metropolitician has had several good write-ups on this topic over the years, even though WRITING LIKE THIS is annoying. |
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I_Am_The_Kiwi
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My guess is cos they have to actually study and work hard.....uni students ive known are lazy ass bastards.
They get out of the torture that is high school and just expect to have their degree handed to them while they sleep. |
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bassexpander
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Because it's freakin' hard!
Why is it that 90% of waygooks don't learn Korean?
Anyway... different culture, learning methods, and all in a different language. These kids are away from parents for the first time and in a BIG way.
Cut them some slack. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| I am not the least bit surprised. I would say that the biggest cause of this is that too many Koreans have not learned to think critically. |
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bassexpander
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I agree. Unfortunately, some people like to beat up on them for not being taught something. You can't fault the kid for the educational system.
Americans suck at math (in general). Koreans do great. Different methods of teaching/learning are more/less effective for different things.
I wonder if Koreans ask, "Gee, why is it that critcial learning skills haven't helped foreigners learn Korean?" |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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Well, for one thing, there isn't exactly a national desire back in our home countries to learn Korean. Secondly, most foreigners only stay here for a year.
Going slightly off-topic, sometimes, I like to imagine about an alternative universe where Korea was the dominant economic power and America is trying like crazy to learn Korean... It would make for a great comedy.
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ESLNYC
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Location: New York City
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These newspapers need to take it easy on quoting people's dissertations that haven't even undergone peer review. Where do they get them anyway?
The 44% seemingly only refers to the population that he researched. I would hardly argue that this is a sufficient sample size. I would take these results with a grain of salt. |
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bassexpander
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| No, there's not a national desire to learn Korean. We're talking about foreigners who are actually here... immersed in Korean culture. It's a bit different sample of people than the general American, who doesn't know where Kimchi comes from. |
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Teelo
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Location: Wellington, NZ
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| Why are 74% of all statistics made up on the spot? |
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marlow
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| I'd say the independent learning and high level of English required to get by are major factors. Professors don't feed you what you will be tested on; they tend to suggest what you should know, and you have to go from there. |
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Konglishman
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Location: Nanjing
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| No, there's not a national desire to learn Korean. We're talking about foreigners who are actually here... immersed in Korean culture. It's a bit different sample of people than the general American, who doesn't know where Kimchi comes from. |
Yes, that is true. However, I also think that my point is not entirely irrelevant. If someone is only going to be here for a year and had no previous exposure whatsoever to the language previously, then I think it should not be surprising that many foreigners are unmotivated to learn Korean.
Of course, I personally think more foreigners should try to learn Korean. As for myself, I have learned a lot of important survival Korean such as "Jimjilbang odiseoyo?".  |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Because it's freakin' hard!
Why is it that 90% of waygooks don't learn Korean?
Anyway... different culture, learning methods, and all in a different language. These kids are away from parents for the first time and in a BIG way.
Cut them some slack. |
I'm not judging the K-students, I'm sure it's hard. But it's hard for the Indians and Chinese too. What makes Korean students so special? this is a half assed article. The Indians and Chinese have the same problems, yet their drop out rates are significantly lower. I need to reiterate this--the Koreans are not special. The article brings this up, then never addresses it, instead it just makes cultural excuses that don't hold water with other groups going through the same problem.
As for 외국인 learning Korean--look at the incentives (or lack thereof). I don't plan on staying here past one year. Korean is not an intl business language. Koeran syntax and morphology is quite alien to English speakers. Instead, I'm learning Mandarin, which has a much easier syntax and morphology, and about a billion more people speaking it.
The only incentive I have to learn Korean is to meet women, and I know enough dog and pony phrases to do that.
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