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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Women comment on each other's appearance - why can't men? |
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Your testicles are terrific
Women comment on each other's appearance all the time - so why can't men do the same?
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Have you seen Keira Knightley in The Duchess? What about Daniel Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood? Do you agree that one is beautiful and the other pretty? I'm not talking about the beauty that emanates from a person's soul. No, I'm being strictly superficial. Day-Lewis has a beautiful face and a wonderful figure. Knightley has a pretty face and a size-below-zero figure. You can't even call it boyish. It's boyish-ish.
Must I, at this point, declare my sexuality, so we all know where we are and exactly what I want to do to Daniel? There's no need. If I mention the beauty of another man, it's obvious - I must be gay. OK, I'm a husband and father, but when did that tell you anything? Why would I go to such lengths to prove I'm straight unless I were a gay man in denial? I must be gay because male beauty isn't openly celebrated in our society by men, unless they are gay.
All I want is equality with women. When women write about female beauty, their sexuality is never in question. It's open season for all women - gay, straight, old, young, gorgeous, ugly, bitter - to bang on about each other's hair, lips, eyes, cheeks, neck, breasts, stomach, legs, thighs, feet, nails, clothes and make-up. They do it publicly and behind each other's backs. They do it fearlessly. |
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That was the secret of Trinny and Susannah. They would literally womanhandle a victim's bosom on national television, with the aim of bringing that bosom up to their level. Because they cared. They were doing it for that bosom's own good. If only, they sighed, that bosom could find a better-fitting bra. Consider the male equivalent, and picture Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear, lifting and separating another man's testicles to convince him that, with more supportive underpants, they would hang more pleasingly and chafe less in an emergency stop. |
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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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A: Hey, man I really like that grease stain on your jeans.
B: Yeah, I was working on the '69 GTO I pulled out of Tiny's Junk Yard.
A: Is that red spot from the hunting trip when you got the 5 pointer?
B: Naw, that's a fresh ketchup stain from breakfast, and the buck was only a four pointer. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Well, generally men don't know much about the appearance of other men. An ex-girlfriend and I ran a test on this once. I pointed out guys that I thought would be considered attractive or ugly and she verified whether or not I was right. I was always correct about ugly, but had no consistency picking attractive. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I do notice if other men are handsome or not and can give pretty good tips about clothing and especially shoes. My male friends think this is pretty suspect.
I flat out don't believe them when they say they are unaware if a guy is handsome or not. It is very easy to tell. |
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Cornfed
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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One of the reasons bodybuilding is a good sport is that it allows men to comment on eachother's appearance without necessarily seeming gay. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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JMO wrote: |
I flat out don't believe them when they say they are unaware if a guy is handsome or not. It is very easy to tell. |
Maybe for you it's easy to tell.
Ugly guys, sure. |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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If I said something about a guy being handsome and someone, as a result, thought I was gay, I'd have to just laugh, because I've not been in a situation like that since 6th grade. Really, that's incredibly childish and in my view much rarer than the writer believes. Extremely detailed observations "about each other's hair, lips, eyes, cheeks, neck, breasts, stomach, legs, thighs, etc" don't occur because males don't make observations like that about women either. |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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The 'you're gay' thing is really lame, we all know that. It's just an attempt to hold men in their traditional gender roles, I think. I think it can just be a nice thing you say to a buddy. Just don't get too vain about it, cause that's the downfall for women, I think.
There's telling someone they look nice, or appreciating what they're wearing, and then there's creepy and vain self-deprecation. I've found that women are either genuinely complementing on one another, or slighting themselves. I wonder if men will get together and talk about how fat their asses are. We're all guilty of it at some point, but I don't want to hear males or females putting themselves down. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'll tell anybody anything I feel like. "Nice shirt." "Good haircut." You're getting kind of fat." "You look like shit today." "You're hot."
Maybe I've been in Korea too long.  |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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If you ever try to go clothing shopping as a guy, you will ALWAYS notice that most stores you go into, don't have a men's section...when you do find a men's section, it will be way in the back somewhere, and then you'll have lame ass choices. |
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Shouldn't the question be the other way around?
If women were more like men, and weren't so obsessed with competing with each other over their appearance and dress...just think how much less of the world's resources would go into producing junk like fashion magazines, cosmetics, hair products, usless TV commercials, throw-away clothes and shoes, etc., etc., etc. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Because if your boyfriend did that ONCE in front of your mother, your mother would warn you maybe your boyfriend was gay and she knew some friend of a friend whose husband was living a secret gay life and having unprotected sex with men in washrooms and maybe that's your future and how could you even think of having a child with a man who might infect you with HIV and you'd start asking around and find out lots of your female friends know of a man who lived such a secret life and you'd start to worry your boyfriend really was gay and every little limp wristed thing he did you would start to interpret as not him being sensitive but him being a closet homo and you'd not be able to sleep at night and you'd start doing things like reorganizing y our sweater drawer at 3 am because you believe it gives you some control over your life.
That's why. Geez. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Manner of Speaking wrote: |
Shouldn't the question be the other way around?
If women were more like men, and weren't so obsessed with competing with each other over their appearance and dress...just think how much less of the world's resources would go into producing junk like fashion magazines, cosmetics, hair products, usless TV commercials, throw-away clothes and shoes, etc., etc., etc. |
Guys notice when chicks go without makeup, believe me. They might not understand what they're seeing, but they notice. Every time I've ever left the house in a hurry without makeup, some well meaning guy asks if I'm feeling okay. Apparently I look a little sickly without. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Korean guys do it....
As for western guys, if you dress well, random guys will compliment a random item of clothing and sometimes your whole look.....rarely physical features unless it's done in a "BTW, the women there will love you, your a good looking guy" kind of way. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Korean guys and African guys often told my husband he was very handsome. I remember an African walking past and saying loudly and sincerely "you are a very handsome man" and walking off. Actually, come to think of it, an English friend told him "you're a bloody good looking bastard!"
Not very gay to my ears. |
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