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bede777
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: Job for wife |
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Hi guys! I'm hoping that you can help me out. I just got here a couple of months ago will probobly stay for at least a few years. My wife is with me on an F4 visa (adopted Korean from the US). Although she looks the part she does not speak a word of Korean. She also does not have a 4 year degree. She would like to find some work. Any ideas on what she can do and where to apply at? I'm in Namyangju just outside of Guri.
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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teach english?
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bede777
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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no degree. As far as I know it is illegal for her to do so with out one, right. Or am I unclear on the whole F4 visa thing.
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teach english?
(a stab in the dark) |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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If she's F4 then she can teach English without a degree. Her best bet would be to fish around hagwons in the area.
If you plan on being here awhile, then I strongly suggest you get her to take a Korean language course so she can learn Korean.
Other than teaching English, there isn't anything else she can do if she doesn't know Korean. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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This may be a bit out of line, but if your wife is good looking, she could always get a job as a bartender/cocktailer in Itaewon. Not at a juicy bar, but one of the legit pubs/lounges.  They're always looking for English speaking staff, and as an ethnic Korean she can fly below the radar. |
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bede777
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| seoulsucker wrote: |
| This may be a bit out of line, but if your wife is good looking, she could always get a job as a bartender/cocktailer in Itaewon. Not at a juicy bar, but one of the legit pubs/lounges. They're always looking for English speaking staff, and as an ethnic Korean she can fly below the radar. |
It isn't a bad idea at all. Only problem is that we are on the other side of Seoul. It is a real pain in the ass to get to Itaewon |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| bede777 wrote: |
| seoulsucker wrote: |
| This may be a bit out of line, but if your wife is good looking, she could always get a job as a bartender/cocktailer in Itaewon. Not at a juicy bar, but one of the legit pubs/lounges. They're always looking for English speaking staff, and as an ethnic Korean she can fly below the radar. |
It isn't a bad idea at all. Only problem is that we are on the other side of Seoul. It is a real pain in the ass to get to Itaewon |
Yeah, I lived in Namyangju (Janghyun-ri, actually) for a year and did the commute. About 90 minutes, but if she's going stir crazy it might pay to look into it, even if it's just part time one or two nights a week. |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| If she's F4 then she can teach English without a degree. Her best bet would be to fish around hagwons in the area. |
WRONG! Everyone teaching in a hagwon must register at the Ministry of Education, which requires a degree. Of course, if the hagwon is willing to hire her and overlook this requirement, it's probably wise to steer away from them as they'll probably try to *beep* her over some other way. |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| kprrok wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| If she's F4 then she can teach English without a degree. Her best bet would be to fish around hagwons in the area. |
WRONG! Everyone teaching in a hagwon must register at the Ministry of Education, which requires a degree. Of course, if the hagwon is willing to hire her and overlook this requirement, it's probably wise to steer away from them as they'll probably try to *beep* her over some other way. |
No, he's right. The degree is needed for immigration to get an E2 visa, and also for public schools. Not needed for hagwons if she doesn't need an E2 to legally work. Since when/how do teachers at hagwons register with the ministry of education? I was teaching at a kyoyookwon (yes, legally on an E2; they needed extra documents from the kyoyookwon, though) and I never had to register with anyone, though I did have to apply for a visa through immigration. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| kprrok wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| If she's F4 then she can teach English without a degree. Her best bet would be to fish around hagwons in the area. |
WRONG! Everyone teaching in a hagwon must register at the Ministry of Education, which requires a degree. Of course, if the hagwon is willing to hire her and overlook this requirement, it's probably wise to steer away from them as they'll probably try to *beep* her over some other way. |
Actually, I'm right. I was correct in that she CAN teach English without a degree. I never said it was legal.
People work and get paid under the table all the time.
We ALL know that Hagwons follow all the rules and regulations at the Ministry of Education.
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bede777
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm probobly going to play it safe because bad things tend to happen when you go under the table. SO, I'll rephrase. Is it legal to teach english on an F4 visa with no degree. If it is she can get a job teaching English. Otherwise, I need to get ideas as to what she can do. |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| littlelisa wrote: |
| kprrok wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| If she's F4 then she can teach English without a degree. Her best bet would be to fish around hagwons in the area. |
WRONG! Everyone teaching in a hagwon must register at the Ministry of Education, which requires a degree. Of course, if the hagwon is willing to hire her and overlook this requirement, it's probably wise to steer away from them as they'll probably try to *beep* her over some other way. |
No, he's right. The degree is needed for immigration to get an E2 visa, and also for public schools. Not needed for hagwons if she doesn't need an E2 to legally work. Since when/how do teachers at hagwons register with the ministry of education? I was teaching at a kyoyookwon (yes, legally on an E2; they needed extra documents from the kyoyookwon, though) and I never had to register with anyone, though I did have to apply for a visa through immigration. |
No, even he admitted it wasn't legal. To work legally as an English teacher, you MUST have a bachelor's degree or equivalent. That is an immigration requirement for an E-2 VISA, but also an MOE requirement as you have to register with them.
Every teacher at a hagwon or PS has to register with their local MOE. To do that, you have to have a degree to show them. If you don't register, you aren't working there legally. All teachers have to be registered, end of discussion. If you are willing to work illegally, you deserve whatever shit gets thrown your way.
To the OP, if you want to risk it, that's your call. Legally, she cannot teach. However, the penalties for her would probably not be too high as she can't get kicked out of the country. The only penalty would probably be financial. |
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bede777
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the clarification. I don't want to just show up and start breaking laws right away. Thus, I'll skip that. Does any body have any ideas on what she could do with no Korean and no degree for work. Aside from tending bar in Itaewan. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| However, the penalties for her would probably not be too high as she can't get kicked out of the country. The only penalty would probably be financial. |
Where do you get that she can't get kicked out of the country? She's not a Korean citizen, right? That means she can be deported for violating her visa terms, doesn't it? |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| kprrok wrote: |
| However, the penalties for her would probably not be too high as she can't get kicked out of the country. The only penalty would probably be financial. |
Where do you get that she can't get kicked out of the country? She's not a Korean citizen, right? That means she can be deported for violating her visa terms, doesn't it? |
Maybe I didn't word that too clearly, I was typing quickly. The chances of her getting deported would be lower, not nil, since she's on a family VISA rather than a different VISA. She could still get deported, but since she's violating an MOE rule rather than immigration rule, it'd most likely be handled differently. |
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