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		| cdninkorea 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:37 am    Post subject: Do You Pretend Not to Speak English? |   |  
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				| I know they've been threads in the past about Koreans automatically speaking English to foreigners (of European stock anyway; they probably don't do it to Japanese, for example), but I don't recall any about this specifically: 
 Do you ever pretend you don't speak English to force people to communicate with you in Korean? I've taken quite a liking to it. My Korean is terrible: I can hold a conversation about basic things and understand the jist of what people are saying if I know the context. When I speak, I may know the vocabulary, but I'm terrible at making my own sentences. In short, I suck.
 
 Still, I'm not going to get better if no one gives me the opportunity to practice, so I try to learn key words and phrases before entering a situation. I always silently hope the other person won't know any English, but they usually throw a few words in there, much to my chagrin.
 
 I have lots of stories like this, but what really annoys me is when they switch to English after we've already been communicating in Korean for a few minutes; last Sunday I was ordering at a coffee shop, all in Korean, when the barista said, in very broken English, "one cake, two coffee?" I gave her a sarcastic "와! 영어잘해요. 외국에 공부했어요?" (Wow! You speak English well. Did you study in a foreign country?). Yeah, I know I was being a jerk, but it irritated me. I'm usually much more polite about it, I swear.
 
 I know Tomato, who's one of my Korean language heros, will have some input here. Anyone else?
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		| ldh2222 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:48 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Her: "Ha-ha, very pun-ee" turns her back as she spits in your coffee, turns around and smiles ;] |  | 
	
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		| Freeghen 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:09 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I don't pretend not to speak English so Koreans will speak to me in Korean (my Korean is pretty wretched), but I do do it for other reasons. Half of the Koreans I meet think I am Russian (I am Russian on my mom's side of the family so that could explain it), it used to irritate me after I discovered how Koreans perceive Russian women. Now I just use it to my advantage when someone is trying to get a free English lesson, when a perv wanders onto my path or when I just don't feel like talking to someone. I just ramble off the few Russian phrases I know and after a bunch of confusion on the Korean end, I'm left well enough alone.
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		| fermentation 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:16 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Since I'm a Korean who speaks fluent English, I often get confused for a gyopo. I sometimes pretend not to speak Korean or English if it benefits me. Like I'm with foreign people and the a Korean trying to either sell something or looking for Nightclub customers will come to me since they're gonna assume I speak Korean. I speak English and pretend I don't understand them to make them go away. |  | 
	
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		| beercanman 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:00 am    Post subject: |   |  
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		| jboney 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I pretend that I don't speak English whenever someone comes up to me speaking in English about Jesus Christ, Jehovah's Witnesses, or any of their other religious propaganda bullshit |  | 
	
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		| seonsengnimble 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:01 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I like to poorly throw a few languages at them at once. 
 "Lo siento, 영어 wakarimasen."
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		| crossmr 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:04 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | I know Tomato, who's one of my Korean language heros, |  I don't want to ask why..but I have to..
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		| cdninkorea 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | I know Tomato, who's one of my Korean language heros, |  I don't want to ask why..but I have to..
 |  Because I agree with him that Koreans shouldn't speak English to us if we're speaking Korean. How would it be if they were talking to us in English but we replied in Korean? I think they'd consider it rude, and it would be. I think he takes it a bit too far, but he's funny about it so it's still good.
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		| winterfall 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Since I'm a Korean who speaks fluent English, I often get confused for a gyopo. I sometimes pretend not to speak Korean or English if it benefits me. Like I'm with foreign people and the a Korean trying to either sell something or looking for Nightclub customers will come to me since they're gonna assume I speak Korean. I speak English and pretend I don't understand them to make them go away. |  
 I thought I was the only one that did this. I'm surprised. Gyopo's are still pretty rare in Korea. Koreans see us as Koreans that: 1. Studied really hard or 2. we come from exceedingly rich families
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		| youtuber 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I think you just come across as a dick if you pretend you can't speak English.  Koreans know that if you are white and in Korea, there is a 99.99999% chance you speak some English. 
 What do you expect?  You come to a country that goes nuts for learning English and then feel hurt when they try to practice English with you.
 
 You encourage your students to speak English as much as possible but when someone tries with you, you get offended.
 
 They also speak English to you because they are assuming that their English is better than your Korean, and from your preamble, it sounds like they are right.  In fact, that is true for most foreigners here.
 
 You will forever be dealing with this issue in Korea, so get over it.
 
 Go to Europe if you want to learn a language.
 
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		| Xuanzang 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I wouldn't have done the "와! 영어잘해요. 외국에 공부했어요".  I would hate to be treated like that if I was a server or cashier. |  | 
	
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		| Jane 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I pretend I don't speak English to strangers who try to hit me up for an English lesson.  I say 'No Ingliss'.  The funny part is they believe me, even if I'm on the subway in the middle of an English novel. 
 I was once buying grapes from this young guy and his friend, obviously from the country, and he said in Korean "Do you speak Korean"..I didn't reply.  He said in English "English?  English?"  I didn't reply and gave him this look of incomprehension.
 He said in Korean to his friend: "Wha! Jjinja waeguk!"
 
 I had to keep it a straight face.  It was hilarious.
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		| skeeterses 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | youtuber wrote: |  
	  | I think you just come across as a dick if you pretend you can't speak English.  Koreans know that if you are white and in Korea, there is a 99.99999% chance you speak some English. 
 |  ESL teachers are under no obligation to be friends with 99% of the Koreans either.  If those 99% are serious about learning English, they can either be willing to pay for the teacher's time or be willing to do a language exchange where both partners get equal time to practice their target language.
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		| steveinincheon 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:35 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| There is not a 99.9999% chance that you speak Englisheee just because you are white. There are plenty of Russians about here who don't speak it, and who just ignore comments made to them in English.. |  | 
	
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