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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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 Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: Why Obama shouldn't be voted in as President |
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1. Relationship with Ayers He is way too ambiguous with this relationship.
2. The secular media love affair with him.
3. The Hollywood idolatry of him.
4. One of the most liberal record of all senators.
5. His relationship with MOVEON.org.
6. His past 20 year relationship with his past pastor Crazy.
7. Socialist views.
8. His horrible record on abortion.
Don't vote for this man. He's too much of an enigma. He doesn't have the character or judgment to run the US.
Let him prove himself as a senator for a few more years. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Why Obama shouldn't be voted in as President |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
1. Relationship with Ayers He is way too ambiguous with this relationship.
2. The secular media love affair with him.
3. The Hollywood idolatry of him.
4. One of the most liberal record of all senators.
5. His relationship with MOVEON.org.
6. His past 20 year relationship with his past pastor Crazy.
7. Socialist views.
8. His horrible record on abortion.
Don't vote for this man. He's too much of an enigma. He doesn't have the character or judgment to run the US.
Let him prove himself as a senator for a few more years. |
Well, one voteless Canadian to another:
1. Relationship with Ayers He is way too ambiguous with this relationship.
I think he has been quite clear.
2. The secular media love affair with him.
This is reason to oppose? So, if the "secular media" said the sky was blue....?
3. The Hollywood idolatry of him.
See above.
4. One of the most liberal record of all senators.
The man is on the center-left. The President doesn't just write down the things he wants and they 'poof' get done. Look to congress, the senate and various lobby groups.
5. His relationship with MOVEON.org.
Far as I can tell, none exists, though I'm sure moveon supports him.
6. His past 20 year relationship with his past pastor Crazy.
Palin and McCain suffer similar issues. At least Obama has thrown his "under the bus".
7. Socialist views.
Such as?
8. His horrible record on abortion.
This is subjective. |
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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely right bro!
#1) You and I both know that Obama and Ayers are hard core terrorists bent on destroying the very fabric of America. Oh yeah, did I mention that Obama is a black, Arabic, Muslim? It's true! I saw a very intelligent woman at a McCain rally prove it.
If you read the fine print in the US Constitution it states that we can't have a black, Arabic, Muslim as president. He also eats babies and wants the Christians in Iraq to be annihilated. On top of that, Rudy G. says that Obama doesn't want sex offenders to go to prison. We are way better off with John McCain. He proved his character by dropping bombs on villages in Vietnam. He has been tested and he always tells the truth. Now that's the kind of straight talk we need. |
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SeoulFinn
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Another person who cannot vote.
The reason I would probably not vote him (if I even could) is that Mr. O may not be a natural-born citizen. But what do I know? I'm only referring to something I read in the news some time ago.
The reasons I would not vote Mr M. and especially Mrs. Palin, well, they are many. *^^* |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Another person who cannot vote.
The reason I would probably not vote him (if I even could) is that Mr. O may not be a natural-born citizen. But what do I know? I'm only referring to something I read in the news some time ago.
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Yes, he was born in the USA. His birth certificate was released a long time ago. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely right bro!
#1) You and I both know that Obama and Ayers are hard core terrorists bent on destroying the very fabric of America. Oh yeah, did I mention that Obama is a black, Arabic, Muslim? It's true! I saw a very intelligent woman at a McCain rally prove it.
If you read the fine print in the US Constitution it states that we can't have a black, Arabic, Muslim as president. He also eats babies and wants the Christians in Iraq to be annihilated. On top of that, Rudy G. says that Obama doesn't want sex offenders to go to prison. We are way better off with John McCain. He proved his character by dropping bombs on villages in Vietnam. He has been tested and he always tells the truth. Now that's the kind of straight talk we need. |
I believe he is a Christian, but with either very poor judgment or using Christianity as a cover. His values are not consistent with the values of Christ. |
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Ilsanman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I can only imagine a list of why not to vote for McCain. There isn't enough space on this age for it. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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And Christ would totally be down with the Republican party. Really, JC is pro-life for the fetus, but once your out, don't get in the way of a 1000ton liborator being dropped from the air. Fair game, then.
And JC, we know, loved the rich. Which is why he would have grown an erection looking at the massive growth of GDP that the hyper-wealthy now control, and would totally want more tax cuts for them.
Etc. etc.
You're talking out your arse. |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Why Obama shouldn't be voted in as President |
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| mises wrote: |
Well, one voteless Canadian to another: touche!
1. Relationship with Ayers He is way too ambiguous with this relationship.
I think he has been quite clear.
I don't think so. The more the media digs into it, the more they find out about this relationship. http://www.newsleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081012/OPINION03/810120318/.
2. The secular media love affair with him.
This is reason to oppose? So, if the "secular media" said the sky was blue....?
Obviously the secular news does not hold the same values as me so this is of great concern. The news is pretty much a brain washing machine that turns out converts like MM2.
3. The Hollywood idolatry of him.
See above.
Who...God? 
4. One of the most liberal record of all senators.
The man is on the center-left. The President doesn't just write down the things he wants and they 'poof' get done. Look to congress, the senate and various lobby groups.
With a majority senate and congress, this would be a horrible combination.
5. His relationship with MOVEON.org.
Far as I can tell, none exists, though I'm sure moveon supports him.
One of his biggest supporters. Moveon is a horrible organization and if Obama truly believed in a free America, he should denounce this company.
6. His past 20 year relationship with his past pastor Crazy.
Palin and McCain suffer similar issues. At least Obama has thrown his "under the bus".
Not even close.
7. Socialist views.
Such as?
That would be another thread, but spreading the riches of the rich to the poor is only the beginning.
8. His horrible record on abortion.
This is subjective. |
He has the worse record on abortion than any other senator. |
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JMO
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
I believe he is a Christian, but with either very poor judgment or using Christianity as a cover. His values are not consistent with the values of Christ. |
Didn't Christ hold pretty socialist views as well? |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
And Christ would totally be down with the Republican party. Really, JC is pro-life for the fetus, but once your out, don't get in the way of a 1000ton liborator being dropped from the air. Fair game, then.
And JC, we know, loved the rich. Which is why he would have grown an erection looking at the massive growth of GDP that the hyper-wealthy now control, and would totally want more tax cuts for them.
Etc. etc.
You're talking out your arse. |
Yeah, the GOP sucks, but it's a far cry from conservative republicans. Not all republicans are hyper wealthy.
Lame argument on war. Ever read the OT or revelations? JC isn't the dalai lama.
Too many generalizations. Any substantial arguments? |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
I believe he is a Christian, but with either very poor judgment or using Christianity as a cover. His values are not consistent with the values of Christ. |
Didn't Christ hold pretty socialist views as well? |
Probably. But not through government subsidies or programs, but through the hearts of the people. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
I believe he is a Christian, but with either very poor judgment or using Christianity as a cover. His values are not consistent with the values of Christ. |
Didn't Christ hold pretty socialist views as well? |
Probably. But not through government subsidies or programs, but through the hearts of the people. |
But couldn't the people vote using those same hearts and elect someone who would uphold their socialist views as well?
I'm sure Christ would want to see governments do his work too. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
I believe he is a Christian, but with either very poor judgment or using Christianity as a cover. His values are not consistent with the values of Christ. |
Didn't Christ hold pretty socialist views as well? |
Probably. But not through government subsidies or programs, but through the hearts of the people. |
But couldn't the people vote using those same hearts and elect someone who would uphold their socialist views as well?
I'm sure Christ would want to see governments do his work too. |
Absolutely. Obama probably is a great man and could be an excellent president. But don't those points worry you about him?
He is going to be in control of the most powerful country in the world with the senate and congress all in democratic control. He will have carte blanche to do anything.
I would rather have McCain in with a democratic senate and congress. Offset each other. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
I believe he is a Christian, but with either very poor judgment or using Christianity as a cover. His values are not consistent with the values of Christ. |
Didn't Christ hold pretty socialist views as well? |
Probably. But not through government subsidies or programs, but through the hearts of the people. |
But couldn't the people vote using those same hearts and elect someone who would uphold their socialist views as well?
I'm sure Christ would want to see governments do his work too. |
Absolutely. Obama probably is a great man and could be an excellent president. But don't those points worry you about him?
He is going to be in control of the most powerful country in the world with the senate and congress all in democratic control. He will have carte blanche to do anything.
I would rather have McCain in with a democratic senate and congress. Offset each other. |
Nope. Vote for Obama. Follow your christian socialist heart. |
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