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dexter



Joined: 22 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:19 am    Post subject: Bad Teachers Reply with quote

I'm a non-experienced prospective teacher of English in Korea.

Can some of you experienced teachers give examples you have seen of what a bad or poor English teacher is like so as I can aim to not be like that?

Thanks...
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doesn't try,
doesn't care,
doesn't work hard,
doesn't prepare lessons,
doesn't enjoy being with the students
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Korussian



Joined: 15 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just one more to add onto VanIslander's comment:

A bad teacher doesn't get that a good relationship with Korean colleagues is worth more than gold.

A bad relationship with colleagues and bosses can sink you, morally if not professionally. They can make your life very easy, or very difficult - on a whim.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korussian wrote:
A bad teacher doesn't get that a good relationship with Korean colleagues is worth more than gold

I ignore the Korean teachers and they ignore me. I think that helps me be a better teacher because I'm not fretting over office politics, simply go to work and do my job, focus on the classes and the kids not the extraneous stuff.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bad teacher, in my view, is one who insists that he/she is always right, refuses to consider alternate views or take into account that there may be good reasons Koreans do things the way that they do.

Then that teacher constantly complains and rants on about how "stupid" everything here is, how things would be so much better if they would just do things his/her way and how much better it was to teach somewhere else.

Oh...wait....that sounds a lot like me my first couple of years here.

Embarassed
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korea, a bad teacher is someone who doesn't know their place.

You'll spend most of your first few years teetering between what you think is right or fair and what the Koreans expect you to do. Unless there are glaring discrepancies (late pay, crap housing, no overtime pay...), stow the contract and stay flexible.
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Zutronius



Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Location: Suncheon

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't teach hungover.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bad teacher is a public school teacher who:

1. Joins an anti-foreigner union
2. Kicks their feet up on their desks because their job is "safe"
3. Physically abuses students
4. Can't speak English, yet teaches it
5. Tries to politically influence their students in misleading ways.
6. Is unwilling to allow their students to take part in a national test which might prove their teaching inadequate.
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Easter Clark



Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
A bad teacher, in my view, is one who insists that he/she is always right


Agree 100%. A bad teacher is one who stops learning. A good teacher can take criticism and learn from it. A bad teacher just shows up to work and collects a paycheck. A good teacher evaluates each class afterward and asks themselves "What could I have done better? Where did I go wrong?"
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easter Clark wrote:
some waygug-in wrote:
A bad teacher, in my view, is one who insists that he/she is always right


Agree 100%. A bad teacher is one who stops learning. A good teacher can take criticism and learn from it. A bad teacher just shows up to work and collects a paycheck. A good teacher evaluates each class afterward and asks themselves "What could I have done better? Where did I go wrong?"


Pretty much-everyone has crapy lessons once in awhile-if they bother you, that's good-scrap them, or twique them, don't dwell on it and move on.

If you don't give a rat's arse at all then you will know-don't confuse that with culture shock, though, as they are different.


m-su, give it up-you act is tired, you're short and gay.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bad teacher can also be someone with good intentions, but who, through a lack of experience, knowledge, and confidence, jumps into a job he or she is simply not prepared for.

A 'can't do' attitude also lends itself very well to bad teaching.
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xingyiman



Joined: 12 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bad teacher is one who takes their job entirely too seriously.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: No such thing Reply with quote

There's no such thing as a 'bad' teacher, really. Sure, there are those out there who couldn't find their own back pockets with both hands, but that doesn't make them 'bad'. The truth is any teacher's status of 'good' or 'bad' is determined not by his own efforts, or lack thereof, but by his students.

Good students will make a 'bad' teacher look not so bad. Bad students will make a 'good' teacher look not so good. Before anyone can call a teacher 'good' or 'bad', he should ask 'what are this person's students like? Do they exert the immense effort required to learn this subject, or do they expect to become fluent in three weeks, an hour a week?' He who is blessed with hard-working learners will naturally appear to be 'good'. Damn, that 'appearances' thing yet again comes into play.

Some teachers know that beating on a dead horse doesn't get them far, so they don't exert much effort as teachers. Just looking at a teacher doesn't really tell the tale. The whole picture must be taken.


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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: No such thing Reply with quote

Tobias wrote:
There's no such thing as a 'bad' teacher, really. Sure, there are those out there who couldn't find their own back pockets with both hands, but that doesn't make them 'bad'. The truth is any teacher's status of 'good' or 'bad' is determined not by his own efforts, or lack thereof, but by his students.

Good students will make a 'bad' teacher look not so bad. Bad students will make a 'good' teacher look not so good. Before anyone can call a teacher 'good' or 'bad', he should ask 'what are this person's students like? Do they exert the immense effort required to learn this subject, or do they expect to become fluent in three weeks, an hour a week?' He who is blessed with hard-working learners will naturally appear to be 'good'. Damn, that appearance thing yet again comes into play.

Just looking at a teacher doesn't really tell the tale. The whole picture must be taken.


The last sentence is correct. But there are still bad teachers out there? Ever met someone who put "Friends" on for 3 out of five days? Ones that call their students stupid and not to question him (even though he is wrong)? I have.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject: Actually Reply with quote

Actually, none of it is correct, and none of it is incorrect.

It's simply my opinion.
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