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regicide



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject: JFK Jr. Assassination Reply with quote

THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK Jr.

Overwhelming, jaw-dropping evidence of foul play in the death of John Kennedy Jr., all based on official government documentation: - the search of the crash site was delayed an incomprehensible 15 hours; - there was, indeed, a flight instructor on the plane, whose body is missing; - it is clear that someone on that plane committed suicide, shutting off the fuel control valve before plunging the plane into the sea; - the prime suspect, George W. Bush, though very publicly running for president, disappeared the day of the murder and stayed missing for 3 days.

When John Kennedy's plane disappeared of the coast of Martha's Vineyard it was deja vu all over again. Those of us who had to endure the assassinations of 2 Kennedy men in the 1960's and then learn of cover-ups and conspiracies will, no doubt, be heartened to learn that a 3rd Kennedy man was murdered, the facts swept under the rug and a cover story invented that pinned the blame solely on Kennedy himself.

The official story is that John Kennedy had recklessly endangered his, his wife's and sister-in-law's lives by flying at night in hazardous conditions without proper instrument flying certification and like an irresponsible lone nut pilot crashed into the sea.

But this story is a myth created by the Pentagon which assumed total control of the investigation the next day. John Kennedy was by no means the rash stupid jerk he was made out to be, but, instead, a cautious, by-the-book pilot who in each of the 300 hours he had logged as a pilot never once flew without an accompanying flight instructor. A flight instructor who would have been the 4 person on that airplane that night. But whose body was never recovered. Hmmm.....

Watch this DVD and learn the real story about the murder of this young man. But prepare to go deeply into the rabitt hole.

Why, for instance, did the military wait more than 15 hours after Kennedy's flight was scheduled to land to conduct a search? Especially when radar showed precisely where the plane went off the scope; and the Coast Guard knew where to look but were waved off by the FAA and the Pentagon? Why was Kennedy's bag recovered but not his flight log which would have been inside? Why was the fuel gauge deliberately switched off?

Well, that's only the beginning of the questions and facts that put together a disturbing, if amazing puzzle. Watch this eye-opening, and, indeed, jaw-dropping compilation of the facts, lies and distortions that comprise this assassination and prepare to have your head rotated 180 degrees.

One final point. The DVD is actualy Volume 2 in these assassination files. For the deep background I recommend the same documentarian's "JFKII-The Bush Connection"...another mind boggling muckraker's delight.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sA1CMJkVdGk
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why, for instance, did the military wait more than 15 hours after Kennedy's flight was scheduled to land to conduct a search?

Further, the weather was not poor that night - no reason at all that it would hamper any search especially for such an important VIP.
Further, further, 300 hours behind the wheel as sole-pilot or pilot-in-charge is a lot of time down. Before gaining the licence, heaps of hours of in-flight training and method work. The vid says he was training and flying for 17 years ...
More, surely he had done the very same trip tens of times previous. It's implied that he has. Considering MV is his second/first home ...
Less than twenty miles out on a typical approach heading, just having made your final landing check call, then, down into the sea, straight down, no glide ....
That's not right. Something really seems suckful about that. Aircraft, even 747s glide. Light aircraft from 3000 feet without power could glide at least another three or four miles. Straight down - no glide? Does the vid state if engineers found anything wrong with the elevators or tail section? A broken strut or column of some sort could send it into a dive. But then, it's his own plane. If it were mine, like my car, it's always in prime mechanical condition and inspected throughout regularly.

Don't like the Tower, FAA, NTSB and controllers being shut down and replaced by only those of one certain other organisation. The tower had contact and radar had contact then the plane went off the radar and it didn't land, why was nothing done to report the plane missing and begin a search???????????
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Kennedy's likely path would have carried him northeast, near or perhaps over Block Island, across the mouth of Narragansett Bay, across the Buzzards Bay ocean traffic lanes and north of Nomans Land, a small island just south of Martha's Vineyard's western promontory that is used by the navy as a firing range."

"The storied scion of America's most celebrated political dynasty was last heard from at 9:39 p.m. on Friday, the Coast Guard said, when his Piper Saratoga checked in 19 minutes from a planned landing on the summer resort. At about the same time an unidentified aircraft approaching the island disappeared from radar screens, according to Lt. Col. Steve Roark of the Air Force Rescue Coordinating Center at Langley Air Force Base in Hampton, Va."
"Police at West Tisbury on Martha's Vineyard said that a Pennsylvania man was fishing when he saw an aircraft flying unusually low between 9:30 and 10 p.m. Friday.
The aircraft was 30 to 40 feet from the water, Patrolman Henry Meyer said police were told, and about two or three miles from Squibnocket Point, the southernmost point of the island.
When the man looked again the plane had vanished, Meyer said. The witness did not see a crash or hear anything."

And this: "Given the relatively swift appearance of the debris at Gay Head, the westernmost point of Martha's Vineyard, it appeared that Kennedy's plane had nearly reached the coast, a stretch of bluffs and barrier beach about 5 miles long jutting from the mainland and running from Squibnocket Point in the southeast to Gay Head Light in the northeast."

Hang on, that's the same location at the same time.
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cangel



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question, if you believe this conspiracy theory, is why? JFK Jr. was headed nowhere. He failed the bar how many times? He failed at his publishing career. The only thing he had going was the Kennedy name and decent looks. Alas, he could probably have been a mediocre politician with others pulling the strings.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And why could you not have posted that story here, for that matter?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump. Only one or two people interested in this thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unecessarily bumped post. Examined for reasons why this was bumped and returned to the CE forum for filing a report at what's happening there, and then it will be returned here.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think this is the first thread created on JFK, Jr.'s death and the allegations some have hurled our way about it? I recall approximately three off the top of my head, counting the video IGTG posted a while back. And this is just treating JFK, Jr.

When they do not get the response they want, they return and create a new thread on the same thing days or weeks later, desperately hoping to set the world on fire, I imagine. Who knows?

How many threads treating JFK, Jr.'s death do you think we need? If there is a such thing as "an unnecessarily bumped post," then there must also be a corresponding "unnecessary new thread."

In any case, Enrico, I take your point. It seems to me that if they have the right to continue creating thread after thread, posting and reposting the same story, just coming from a different source, this time a Canadian poet, next time Hugo Chavez or Charlie Sheen, or what-have-you, and there is no new substance at all, no evidence to consider, then I should also have the right to post and report my same response. The whole thing becomes like a broken record. But if this is the life these people want to live, creating thread after thread on the Kennedys, then I will do as you say, give them special consideration, allowing them to post what they want, repeatedly, and self-impose restrictions so that I cannot respond to them. So be it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are tons of posters on here who start new threads on topics which have already been addressed.

Some posters have an unhealthy obsession with certain others and only complain about their posts. Why is that, and should it be allowed?
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regicide



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cangel wrote:
The question, if you believe this conspiracy theory, is why? JFK Jr. was headed nowhere. He failed the bar how many times? He failed at his publishing career. The only thing he had going was the Kennedy name and decent looks. Alas, he could probably have been a mediocre politician with others pulling the strings.



I don't agree. I believe he would be running for president in this election rather than Obama.

John F. Kennedy Jr.
BIOGRAPHY
John was born on November 25, 1960, only weeks after his father was elected president. He was the first child born to a president-elect and the first infant to live in the White House since the Cleveland administration. Three years later, the world watched as the three year old, on his birthday saluted his father's casket as it passed by. Two weeks after the funeral, his mother, Jacqueline Kennedy, moved John Jr. and his sister, Caroline, out of the White House to Manhattan, where she made every attempt to raise her children as normal as possible, out of the public eye.

With all her influence and grace, Jacqueline could not tame the media. Nevertheless, she did succeed in raising two children that matured into responsible independent adults. Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg has maintained a much more private life. Handsome, rich, polite and charismatic, John Jr. was too much for the media to stay away from.

John attended New York City's Collegiate School for Boys and graduated from the elite Phillips Academy in Andover. Unlike many of the Kennedy men who attended Harvard, John went to Brown University, graduating in 1983. After thinking seriously about an acting career, John enrolled in New York University's Law School, a move many now say was motivated by Jackie's wishes. He failed the bar exam twice, prompting the tabloids to name him "The hunk who flunked."

In late 1988, People magazine dubbed him the "Sexiest Man Alive." When he introduced his uncle Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, at the 1988 Democratic Convention, people speculated that John Jr. was getting ready to run for office himself. Instead he went to work as a prosecutor for the Manhattan District Attorney. After amassing a very impressive record of 6-0 from 1989-1993, he resigned.

The avenue Kennedy chose was later was publishing. In 1995 he launched "George" magazine, as a glossy, nonpartisan political journal subtitled "not just politics as usual." In addition to his duties as editor, he wrote essays and conducted interviews, which included discussions with Fidel Castro and Mike Tyson. In 1997 the essay, Kennedy called his cousins Michael and Joseph, who suffered personal embarrassments in the public eye, "poster boys to very bad behavior".

While he led a life under intense media scrutiny, John did not give the press much fodder. Aside from a few public spats with his wife, Carolyn, a former Calvin Klein executive, John kept a low profile. A passionate philanthropist, John volunteered with several nonprofit's and sat on the board of several family foundations. He was often seen skating around his TriBeCa neighborhood. He also was in Central Park jogging on a regular basis. He was as special as it gets.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

regicide wrote:
cangel wrote:
The question, if you believe this conspiracy theory, is why? JFK Jr. was headed nowhere. He failed the bar how many times? He failed at his publishing career. The only thing he had going was the Kennedy name and decent looks. Alas, he could probably have been a mediocre politician with others pulling the strings.



I don't agree. I believe he would be running for president in this election rather than Obama.





That seems highly dubious at best. Could barely pass the bar, and hadnt run for public office before. Served as an ADA for a few years in the early 90s, but that's about it re: his credentials.

there might before a few nephews of JFK to carry on the torch, but a second Camelot related directly to the first seems highly unlikely.

Let the poor man rest in peace. Talk of such conspiracies only pollute the family name more.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheonmunka has provided definative prove that JFK Jr. was murdered. Now who would do such a thing. Was he living a double life working for the Mafia , for example. Did he have other enemies that would , and could kill him in this manner.

I don't think so.

The same people that killed his father, his uncle and discredited his other uncle did this to him.

Exposing why JFK was killed would quite likely damage his name. But what in the world did his son do to deserve this besides offering the threat that he would expose his fathers real killers? This will not soil his name.

RFK went down the path of going along with the lies about his brothers death and it got him killed.

JFK Jr's mother was cautious and said "they are killing Kennedies" and ironically didn't want her son to fly.

Little did she know that her first concern would do her son in, as JFK Jr was an excellent pilot, had a flight instructor in the plane and the plane would not have crashed had there not been a plan to murder him.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've got a real fascination with the Kennedy family. It's borderline psychotic.

Regardless...

Who is "they?"
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
You've got a real fascination with the Kennedy family. It's borderline psychotic.

What would you call an obsession with killing or neutralizing all the politically active members of the Kennedy family?


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Who is "they?"

If you are referring to the quote from Jacqueline Kennedy, I guess you will have to ask her.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dupe

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