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how long before Koreans screw up visa waiver program in USA?
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legalquestions



Joined: 25 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:44 am    Post subject: how long before Koreans screw up visa waiver program in USA? Reply with quote

I'm thinking that the number of Korean visa overstays in the USA are about to skyrocket, now that basically any Korean can go to the US for 90 days, with few questions asked.

Koreans already constitute one of the largest visa overstay nationalities in the US; that's why they haven't been allowed to enter the VWP before now.

It is estimated that the number of Koreans traveling to the US next year will increase by 50%. Now that the bar has been lowered, I wonder how many of them will go there and overstay. What do you think?
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Otherside



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With Koreans being one of the major overstay violators in the US obviously the reasons for them being added to the VWP aren't related to this. If I'm not mistaken (and I may very well be) wasn't this some kind of spin-off from the FTA? If so, I doubt a couple hundred thousand overstays will change anything.

Secondly, if you figures are correct, a 50% increase in Korean visitors to the US is good for US business (assuming tourist purposes...which prior to this visiting the US as a tourist was a major headache).

Finally, In the current economic climate, the US is no longer than land of milk and honey it once was, and it doesn't make as much sense for people from a pretty rich and developed country (korea) to live and work there illegally as it once did, say 5 or 10 years ago.
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Bibbitybop



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the KRW to USD ratio, it may not be much of a problem.

I'm still waiting for the day I can see an ajossi treat a NYC cop like a Korean cop.
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Bailsibub



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really know if the visa waiver program will actually be good for business. I know many Koreans back home who went there to work under the guise of being a student, tax-free work mind you. These people make more money than many tax-paying citizens because they aren't being taxed out the azz.

And I really think that many will have similar plans with this whole visa waiver deal...I mean, who cares if you overstay and work, right?! Konchana!!

Here's one story: (and I know many like this) A friend of mine who had actually worked for Hyundai before was more than happy to get a job at a Korean supermarket (a pretty large and well-known place) and eventually become a manager. Somehow, he moved his wife over there after a couple years, too. He bought a house, and he's still there.

Maybe Korea has developed its economy since 1997, but Koreans in the US seem more than ready to hook up fellow countrymen with under-the-table jobs. And I really think that given the chance, tons of people are going to be heading over for them.
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys ARE AWARE that even with the VWPP they STILL need to apply for permission to go to the states BEFORE they are allowed to get on the plane?

https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/esta.html?_flowExecutionKey=_cB839F47F-1757-7648-D124-2793D1E1B937_k2F518C78-8DB9-7044-292F-C983216C2961
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Bibbitybop



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
You guys ARE AWARE that even with the VWPP they STILL need to apply for permission to go to the states BEFORE they are allowed to get on the plane?

https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/esta.html?_flowExecutionKey=_cB839F47F-1757-7648-D124-2793D1E1B937_k2F518C78-8DB9-7044-292F-C983216C2961


Very true. And the US immigration official they happen to get can turn them right around and send them back on the next plane. Or worse, detain them with no reason until they decide to send them back home, as was the case of the Italian man earlier this year who also expected to enter the USA on a visa waiver program. Search that for that in the New York Times if you want to learn more, no link on hand at the moment.
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Join Me



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I know is that as an American I can now stay in Korea for 90 days without a visa because of this deal. Glad it works both ways...at least one thing does it seems.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/11/117_34487.html
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legalquestions



Joined: 25 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ones I am talking about are the Koreans who are granted the 90 day visa, then go to the states AND overstay. I expect the number of them doing this will rise tremendously. I guess the question is, will US authorities actually do anything about it if/when it happens, ie, will they revoke the visa waiver plan for the Koreans?
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Louie



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I feel some enterprising Americans will do the same thing- They will enter Korea to see what the job situation is like and if they have enough money, they can easily set themselves up easily with a small apartment and some short-term part time work.

I know, some of you might say; Who in their right mind would come all the way from the US to work in Korea?

The one thing I forgot to mention in all my other posts is the fact that there are countless Americans already in the region, either in Japan or China, who have easy access entering Korea to scope things out. The ones in Japan I can easily see saving enough capital to set themselves up in Korea and are experienced in scoping out jobs like they did in Japan.

So, I think I can see an easy influx of both Americans and Koreans going into each other's countries- though I highly doubt you will see an American overstaying their visit in Korea.....
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: how long before Koreans screw up visa waiver program in Reply with quote

Part of the reason they often overstayed in the past is because the law was so strict on them.

If you look at Japan, they can come and go into the U.S. whenever they want, and most of them knowing they can freely go back and forth whenever they want, choose to do just that than stay.
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Mr-Dokdo



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
Finally, In the current economic climate, the US is no longer than land of milk and honey it once was, and it doesn't make as much sense for people from a pretty rich and developed country (korea) to live and work there illegally as it once did, say 5 or 10 years ago.


Perhaps. But how many Korean women have allowed you to enjoy them in the belief that you would take them back with you at the end of the contract?
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Otherside



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr-Dokdo wrote:
Otherside wrote:
Finally, In the current economic climate, the US is no longer than land of milk and honey it once was, and it doesn't make as much sense for people from a pretty rich and developed country (korea) to live and work there illegally as it once did, say 5 or 10 years ago.


Perhaps. But how many Korean women have allowed you to enjoy them in the belief that you would take them back with you at the end of the contract?


None. I'm not from the US. Heck, I have it harder than most guys as my (South African) passport offers nothing to a Korean.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr-Dokdo wrote:
Perhaps. But how many Korean women have allowed you to enjoy them in the belief that you would take them back with you at the end of the contract?

I've never met Koreans like that. Usually it is the opposite, it is a problem that you are a foreigner as their family doesn't want you to take their daughter out of the country.
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Passions



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With 1400W = $1

I don't see a flood of Korean tourists anytime soon.
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Freakstar



Joined: 29 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
Given the KRW to USD ratio, it may not be much of a problem.


True. Even wealthy Koreans aren't excited about taking a trip abroad with the way things are right now. They're all complaining about the exchange rate.

Bibbitybop wrote:
I'm still waiting for the day I can see an ajossi treat a NYC cop like a Korean cop.


Evil. Twisted Evil
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