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Predict the GOP's dirty tricks in the remaining days
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Gatsby



Joined: 09 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Predict the GOP's dirty tricks in the remaining days Reply with quote

Interesting thread here:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=136385

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Latest McCain Robocall Alleges That Obama Denied Babies Medical Care


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/latest_mccain_robocall_alleges.php

This has the surrealism of a National Enquirer or Weekly World News headline -- or The Onion.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/southern_sheriff_pulls_over_obama

Who on the GOP has the sick mind that thinks up these accusations?

Dirty campaign tricks are a favorite sport of Republicans. Even when they are winning by a landslide they cannot resist the temptation to go out and pull some shenanigans, even on election day. I know because I've seen it with my own eyes. They are like middle schoolers pulling a sick practical joke.

Some of the GOP tricks are predictable, some not so.

How good is your imagination? Can you think like a Republican?

Here's your chance! Predict the dirty tricks the Republicans will use to try to pull a rabbit out of their hat on election day.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sick and twisted villain that you have constructed, who engages in dirty tricks simply for the fun and the sport of it, is certainly capable of anything. So I would suggest (a) staging a false O. bin Laden threat; or (b) fabricating an actual terrorist attack, killing Americans, provoking martial law or a military coup, and then scaring the rest of the population into their camp.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hrmmm, I predict the GOP candidate:

1) eschews public funding, citing the opponent's dodging of McCain-Feingold and contributions to 527s, then

2) after using the 527s of the opponent as an excuse not to go for public financing, he asks the 527s to stop restraining themselves and then go into action.

Oh, wait a minute . . .
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two words: "Secret Weapon" There is a reason that McCain and Palin have been distancing themselves from Bush and the reason is they have been holding out until the ninth hour to bring him in as a secret weapon to help them in their hour of need to seal up the election.

Bush will talk endlessly about how the success of his economic policies over the last eight years have guaranteed all Americans have a potato in the pot. McCain and Palin will be swept into the White House as a result and it will be four more years of economic prosperity under Republican incompetence!
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JMO



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, those robocalls are the height of sleaze. Just when I thought this couldn't get any better.

I'm not sure what's next but I'm definitely excited about it.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem McCain has is he speaks of himself as a man of integrity so much and his getting help from Karl Rove types shows he cannot win simply win just debating the economy and issues. If Bush didn't use the tactics he used against Kerry, which were hardly Christian-like, then he may not have beaten Kerry. We don't know. The GOP ran a very dirty campaign. I guess that's family values campaigning for you. The GOP reminds too much of the distant past when it comes to their style of politics. It will be hard to be effective for McCain, because most people know who Karl Rove is, and they know about the Swift Boat Veterans.
They know the scare tactics.

"Fool me one, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me". A Chinese proverb.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the ultimate dirty trick would be for Bush to laungh a strike against Iran or pull OBL out from a Saudi safe-house, but it was close enough last time around that if he thought it were a viable option he probably would have done it then.

A former secretary from somewhere will likely be pulled out in the last couple of weeks to talk about either having an affair with Obama or to allege he sexually harrassed her.

Biden's draft-dodging and plagiarism at university will be dragged out and compared agaisnt McCain's bravery by bombing a heavily populated city.

But every which way the Republicans go, they still have much bigger skeletons in their closets - McCain's abandoning his wife after her injury and Palin's pregnant 17-year-old - that the Democrats haven't yet touched. That's why I think that an 'event' in the Middle East is about the only option left for the Republicans to win. And a lot of Republican senators and congressmen will be going down on the same ship as McCain if nothing happens.
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Gatsby



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you noticed all the inflammatory language about a vast conspiracy of "voter fraud" with suggestions from the McCain campaign that it is linked to Obama?

According to Bob Bauer, attorney for the Obama campaign, that appears to be the October Surprise. The Grand Old Pentacostal Party appears to be laying the groundwork to challenge the legality of the 2008 election, alleging widespread voter fraud. And by creating this atmosphere, they hope to scare minority voters from going to the polls, with the fear they might be arrested for voter fraud.

My guess is one goal of the GOPP campaign of fear is to scare every single person who registered through ACORN from voting, for fear of being investigated for voter fraud.

Some of these tactics were used in 2000 and 2004. And Bauer alleges that the firing of many U.S. Attorneys was tied to their refusal to prosecute these bogus charges of voter fraud. Another related tactic showed up in Florida in 2000, with police setting up roadblocks on roads leading from minority neighborhoods to the polls, under the guise of routine vehicle and sobriety inspections.

Cut the minority turnout, get minority votes thrown out, and you may have the recipe for GOPP victory.

And you thought you were a citizen in a democracy?

Keith Olbermann has an interview with Bauer:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27245181

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27245245

Not much in the print media, but here's one article:

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Obama campaign links fraud charges to U.S Attorney scandal

In another letter to the Justice Department (they must have a special, er, file for them), Obama counsel Bob Bauer asks that the special prosecutor investigating the U.S. Attorney firings extend her investigation to whether any federal law enforcement officials are involved in this cycle's fraud allegations.

Voter registration fraud was a major preoccupation of the most politticized U.S. Attorney offices, though -- for all the noise -- there hasn't been any federal legal action this cycle.

Here's Bauer's letter.

Meanwhile, the Pennsylvania Republican Party has filed a lawsuit against the Secretary of the Commonwealth along the lines of the Ohio legal action the Supreme Court just rebuffed.

A lot of this is atmospherics: The Obama camp wants to pre-empt GOP legal action and assure voters that the polls will be safe; McCain is warning his base that their votes could be stolen, and meanwhile needs the lowest possible turnout from new registrants. And both are laying the public relations groundwork for a legal fight, if the Republicans launch a serious effort -- so far, it's been all posturing -- to disqualify masses of registrants.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Obama_campaign_links_fraud_charges_to_US_Attorney_scandal.html?showall

I'm telling you, the Republicans absorbed the Ku Klux Klan early in the 20th century (at least in some states, but not all, and on the national level), and they are not above using blatantly racist tactics to win an election.

But the mendacious hypocrisy is truly breathtaking. The GOPP is trying to steal the election (by discouraging and disqualifying eligible voters), and what do they do? Accuse the Democrats of trying to steal the election by registering voters (minorities), which they call "fraud."

This is America? It's more like the Roman Senate under the rule of Caligula.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gatsby wrote:
Have you noticed all the inflammatory language about a vast conspiracy of "voter fraud" with suggestions from the McCain campaign that it is linked to Obama?

According to Bob Bauer, attorney for the Obama campaign, that appears to be the October Surprise. The Grand Old Pentacostal Party appears to be laying the groundwork to challenge the legality of the 2008 election, alleging widespread voter fraud. And by creating this atmosphere, they hope to scare minority voters from going to the polls, with the fear they might be arrested for voter fraud.

My guess is one goal of the GOPP campaign of fear is to scare every single person who registered through ACORN from voting, for fear of being investigated for voter fraud.

Some of these tactics were used in 2000 and 2004. And Bauer alleges that the firing of many U.S. Attorneys was tied to their refusal to prosecute these bogus charges of voter fraud. Another related tactic showed up in Florida in 2000, with police setting up roadblocks on roads leading from minority neighborhoods to the polls, under the guise of routine vehicle and sobriety inspections.

Cut the minority turnout, get minority votes thrown out, and you may have the recipe for GOPP victory.

And you thought you were a citizen in a democracy?

Keith Olbermann has an interview with Bauer:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27245181

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27245245

Not much in the print media, but here's one article:

Quote:
Obama campaign links fraud charges to U.S Attorney scandal

In another letter to the Justice Department (they must have a special, er, file for them), Obama counsel Bob Bauer asks that the special prosecutor investigating the U.S. Attorney firings extend her investigation to whether any federal law enforcement officials are involved in this cycle's fraud allegations.

Voter registration fraud was a major preoccupation of the most politticized U.S. Attorney offices, though -- for all the noise -- there hasn't been any federal legal action this cycle.

Here's Bauer's letter.

Meanwhile, the Pennsylvania Republican Party has filed a lawsuit against the Secretary of the Commonwealth along the lines of the Ohio legal action the Supreme Court just rebuffed.

A lot of this is atmospherics: The Obama camp wants to pre-empt GOP legal action and assure voters that the polls will be safe; McCain is warning his base that their votes could be stolen, and meanwhile needs the lowest possible turnout from new registrants. And both are laying the public relations groundwork for a legal fight, if the Republicans launch a serious effort -- so far, it's been all posturing -- to disqualify masses of registrants.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Obama_campaign_links_fraud_charges_to_US_Attorney_scandal.html?showall

I'm telling you, the Republicans absorbed the Ku Klux Klan early in the 20th century (at least in some states, but not all, and on the national level), and they are not above using blatantly racist tactics to win an election.

But the mendacious hypocrisy is truly breathtaking. The GOPP is trying to steal the election (by discouraging and disqualifying eligible voters), and what do they do? Accuse the Democrats of trying to steal the election by registering voters (minorities), which they call "fraud."

This is America? It's more like the Roman Senate under the rule of Caligula.



the anti war movement is full of bigots so call it even.
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bangbayed



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gatsby wrote:
Have you noticed all the inflammatory language about a vast conspiracy of "voter fraud" with suggestions from the McCain campaign that it is linked to Obama?


They're pulling out all the stops this time and the voter fraud charge is one of the dirtiest. They're trying to do what they did in Florida in 2000 and take away votes from the poor and underclass who, of course, vote Democrat - the few who do manage to get out and vote.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They will just steal it.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6533

Intrade is free money at this point.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
They will just steal it.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6533

Intrade is free money at this point.


I need to start saving these links for the 11-5 gloatfest.
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bangbayed



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
mises wrote:
They will just steal it.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6533

Intrade is free money at this point.


I need to start saving these links for the 11-5 gloatfest.


So it's nothing to be concerned about, even if the Democrats win? I for one, don't want to have to go through the issue again of the party affiliations of vote counters and polling booth workers. It really makes America look like a third world nation.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bangbayed wrote:
Kuros wrote:
mises wrote:
They will just steal it.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6533

Intrade is free money at this point.


I need to start saving these links for the 11-5 gloatfest.


So it's nothing to be concerned about, even if the Democrats win? I for one, don't want to have to go through the issue again of the party affiliations of vote counters and polling booth workers. It really makes America look like a third world nation.


Third world. Does that mean its neither part of the first world capitalist West nor the second world Soviet bloc (or second world advanced countries of the non-aligned movement)? Those terms were becoming outdated in the 80s. Is China second-world? Third world? Does it even make sense to state an entire country is only of one quality following the emergence of globalization? If I can convince you of nothing else, it would be to say "It really makes America look like an undeveloped nation." And truth be told, some parts of America DO look undeveloped.

But look. I expect the electoral college to be quite definite. We're looking at Obama netting over 300 points out of 538. There may be voting irregularities in one state, but it won't matter b/c that state won't be decisive (like FL was).

Check out this mathematical polling model. I don't know about our vote counting, but our polling methods are state of the art in the US. Laughing
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
mises wrote:
They will just steal it.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6533

Intrade is free money at this point.


I need to start saving these links for the 11-5 gloatfest.


I will be more than happy to admit that I have been terribly wrong.
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