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wylies99

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Hundreds of ING workers busted for forged diplomas |
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Hundreds of ING workers busted for forged diplomas
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2896739
October 30, 2008
A group of 420 ING Life Insurance workers were booked yesterday on charges of faking their college diplomas, police said.
The Seodaemun Police Precinct announced yesterday that they charged 120 sales managers with forging university diplomas for applicants, and 300 financial consultants for submitting the bogus diplomas when they applied for jobs at the global insurance firm.
According to police, the 120 managers possessed a total of 270 fake diploma templates from local four-year universities. They provided the forged documents to 300 high school graduates who did not fulfill the minimum qualification - an undergraduate degree - in order to hire them amid employee shortages.
The charges were laid after an investigation into a 38-year-old professional forger, identified only as Bu. As part of that probe earlier this year, police confiscated the application materials of 5,000 ING financial consultants working in the metropolitan area in May.
After analyzing the documents, police identified the 300 fakes. There are currently 10,000 sales managers and financial consultants working for ING across the country.
Under Korean law, forging an official document can result in 10 years in prison; faking a private document can get you five years or a fine of up to 10 million won ($7,037).
In response to the embarrassing scandal, ING said in an official statement that the firm promises to tighten up its recruiting process.
It also said it would severely punish all workers involved in the forgery scandal after police complete their investigation.
�We have begun our own investigation. In contrast to other insurance companies, a college diploma is required for a financial consultant position at ING, and we think this led some high school graduates to use fake diplomas in attempting to enter the firm,� said No Gu-mi, an ING public relations representative. �We haven�t received the list of names from police yet. We will continue to help the police in their investigation.�
Police, meanwhile, plan to expand their probe. �The fake diplomas that we confiscated are very sophisticated. We believe more people are involved in this forgery scandal,� said a police officer who asked not to be named. �We will continue to investigate other firms.�
By Park Sang-woo Staff Reporter [[email protected]] |
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wylies99

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Makes you wonder how many more Koreans have fake diplomas? How many "profs"? How many public school teachers? How many bank employees? |
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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Surely if ING checked references, they would be able to confirm whether they graduated for a university. |
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Scotticus
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Not to say this doesn't happen in the West, but when was the last time you heard about someone getting caught with a fake degree? Honestly, I can't remember EVER seeing anything like this in my first 22 years of life.
I also think all these forged diplomas are funny, considering Korea boasts about its high percentage of college graduates and its focus on "education." |
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PeteJB
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Blimey, 10 years in prison, that's a bit extreme. Granted, if someone were in a position of power and abusing that, then adding more years to their sentence would be appropriate. |
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umpittse
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
Makes you wonder how many more Koreans have fake diplomas? How many "profs"? How many public school teachers? How many bank employees? |
Ya, it does make you wonder how many other Koreans have faked their credentials.
WOW! 10 years in prison holy! |
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justaguy
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Location: seoul
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I heard from a person who works for that company that the number of people busted is now up to 640. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
Not to say this doesn't happen in the West, but when was the last time you heard about someone getting caught with a fake degree? Honestly, I can't remember EVER seeing anything like this in my first 22 years of life.
I also think all these forged diplomas are funny, considering Korea boasts about its high percentage of college graduates and its focus on "education." |
I remember some doctor in Michigan that was nailed for faking his credentials. I think he started working after being a military field medic in Vietnam. Nobody bothered checking his background in over 30 years. I also recall a couple others, but it's always doctors.
Most people in the West don't really care if you have a degree or not. So, it's not really a big issue. It helps you get a job, but in the end it's how you perform in that job. Of course there are exceptions, like in the areas of education or medicine.
So my question is, why would the police investigate a private company, that doesn't deal with education or health, for forged degrees? Who really cares if your insurance salesman has a degree or not? |
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crescent

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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| So my question is, why would the police investigate a private company, that doesn't deal with education or health, for forged degrees? Who really cares if your insurance salesman has a degree or not? |
It probably started with one real degree holder being pissed off at a fake degree holder for eating all the kimchi in the staff fridge and getting a promotion.
Ratting on each other is how people get things done around here.
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Paji eh Wong

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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| They provided the forged documents to 300 high school graduates who did not fulfill the minimum qualification - an undergraduate degree - in order to hire them amid employee shortages. |
This is the funny part.
All you need in Korea to get a four year degree is a pulse and the tuition money. What? They couldn't wait? |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| umpittse wrote: |
| wylies99 wrote: |
Makes you wonder how many more Koreans have fake diplomas? How many "profs"? How many public school teachers? How many bank employees? |
Ya, it does make you wonder how many other Koreans have faked their |
A few years back, around the time of the teacher scandal, something like 17 Korean professors with illegal degrees were found in Incheon, if memory serves. I can't remember the exact number, but for some unknown reason, the articles were pulled from all of the newspapers. You can't find anything about it anywhere.
The investigation seemed to find such a large percentage in such a short amount of time, its as if it was halted because they realized there was such a massive problem that it would undermine the entire Korean educational system should it continue (my guess -- not gospel). I remember reading the article, and then any mention of it was erased from Korean existence within days.
I'm of the opinion that any investigation of Korean professors on a national scale would likely turn up more than a few fake degrees at nearly every university. |
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buymybook
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Ha! "In order to hire them amid employee shortages." Notice the plural form of shortage.
Since when has there been employee shortages in S. Korea any time recently? Me thinks they hired those people(mostly men) to pay them less than a "REAL" College Graduate. I'm sure they could have found plenty of females that qualified for those jobs.
I would NEVER trust that company to invest my money. This is what "ING" says on their website...
Our Mission
�Setting the standard in helping our customers manage their financial future.�
No wonder the world economy is where it's at. |
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steroidmaximus

Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: GangWon-Do
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Since when has there been employee shortages in S. Korea any time recently? Me thinks they hired those people(mostly men) to pay them less than a "REAL" College Graduate. I'm sure they could have found plenty of females that qualified for those jobs. |
ding ding ding!! we have a winner!!
either that, or they were expected to fork over a percentage of their earnings to the person who hired them. |
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NoExplode

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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Most people in the West don't really care if you have a degree or not. So, it's not really a big issue. It helps you get a job, but in the end it's how you perform in that job. Of course there are exceptions, like in the areas of education or medicine.
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Not sure what you mean-- Western employers certainly care. |
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Bibbitybop

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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| umpittse wrote: |
| wylies99 wrote: |
Makes you wonder how many more Koreans have fake diplomas? How many "profs"? How many public school teachers? How many bank employees? |
Ya, it does make you wonder how many other Koreans have faked their credentials.
WOW! 10 years in prison holy! |
Last semester a person got 6 months in jail for having a forged diploma. There was a story in the news about a rapist who got a similar sentence.
Violent crime with physical victim = Non-violent crime with no physical victim.
And the netizens wonder why foreigners make fun of Korea. |
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