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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject: Knowing little about Australia... Reply with quote

I've never been to Australia. Pretty much everyone I've ever met from the country, I've liked and/or become friends with.

A non-Aussie friend said something about Australia that I hadn't heard of, and I was a little surprised. He said that in Australia, people don't try to "rise above" or do anything that would make them seem as if they're trying to be special. He said that Australians look down on people who are like that, and/or draw too much attention to themselves. He said this is why many Australians didn't like the "crock hunter" guy that was killed.

Does any of that make sense, or sound correct?
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:23 am    Post subject: Re: Knowing little about Australia... Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
I've never been to Australia. Pretty much everyone I've ever met from the country, I've liked and/or become friends with.

A non-Aussie friend said something about Australia that I hadn't heard of, and I was a little surprised. He said that in Australia, people don't try to "rise above" or do anything that would make them seem as if they're trying to be special. He said that Australians look down on people who are like that, and/or draw too much attention to themselves. He said this is why many Australians didn't like the "crock hunter" guy that was killed.

Does any of that make sense, or sound correct?


no thats not true..
sure in oz and nz we dont like posers! but we have a ton of them anyway

sure people like to say downunder the people are way laid back and this is true in some parts...

but the croc hunter! he was a legend in australia! he was really loved there
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its called tall poppy syndrome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome
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peemil



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horse's he was. His show wasn't even on the television when he died.

OP - What you are referring to is the Tall Poppy Syndrome.
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Koreadays



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peemil wrote:
Horse's he was. His show wasn't even on the television when he died.

OP - What you are referring to is the Tall Poppy Syndrome.


thats becuase he was filming his new season when he died!
mate you gonna tell me that the Steve Irwin was not a legend in Australia?
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peemil



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolute and utter tosser.

All media hype.

The man deserved it.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peemil wrote:
Absolute and utter tosser.

All media hype.

The man deserved it.


ohh now he deserved it!!

media hype?
tosser?
ohh ok..

and this coming from a guy who probably lives less than 100ks from him!!

like him or not! thats not what I am saying.. .
im saying he was an Australian Legend!
for god sake! John Howard even said something when he died!
the press , the news, schools all sent cards etc..
mate you dont have a clue what your talking about ...
doubt 4 or 5 people in queensland will even batter an eyelid for your sorry ass when you kick the bucket!!!
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peemil



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical Australian ridiculous sentimentality.

If a man walks through a mine field knowing what is beneath him with a churlish grin on his face, you don't shed a tear when he finally steps on one.

John Howard said a lot of things. A lot of it was BS.

The press was in it for a few headlines because they know this country, as Andrew Denton once said, is an easy lay. Schools do that type of crud because it keeps the kids amused and uneducated like the majority of the population.

I care not for the opinion of this country of schmucks.
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peemil wrote:
Typical Australian ridiculous sentimentality.

If a man walks through a mine field knowing what is beneath him with a churlish grin on his face, you don't shed a tear when he finally steps on one.

John Howard said a lot of things. A lot of it was BS.

The press was in it for a few headlines because they know this country, as Andrew Denton once said, is an easy lay. Schools do that type of crud because it keeps the kids amused and uneducated like the majority of the population.

I care not for the opinion of this country of schmucks.


the only tosser here is you!

Steve IRWIN! was an AUSTRALIAN ICON!

he was known around the world as an Australian!
very famous in the states! also..
russel crowe,
kylie minogue
nicole kidman
etc etc etc
STEVE ( the croc hunter) IRWIN!

mate he was UP THERE!!

he made australia proud!

he was a true Australian!

more than you ever will be!
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The evil penguin



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
peemil wrote:
Typical Australian ridiculous sentimentality.

If a man walks through a mine field knowing what is beneath him with a churlish grin on his face, you don't shed a tear when he finally steps on one.

John Howard said a lot of things. A lot of it was BS.

The press was in it for a few headlines because they know this country, as Andrew Denton once said, is an easy lay. Schools do that type of crud because it keeps the kids amused and uneducated like the majority of the population.

I care not for the opinion of this country of schmucks.


the only tosser here is you!

Steve IRWIN! was an AUSTRALIAN ICON!

he was known around the world as an Australian!
very famous in the states! also..
russel crowe,
kylie minogue
nicole kidman
etc etc etc
STEVE ( the croc hunter) IRWIN!

mate he was UP THERE!!

he made australia proud!

he was a true Australian!

more than you ever will be!



Bullsh*t. I'm with Peemil on this one. Yeah, Steve was huge in the states- where they thrive on loudmouth showponies...... And yeah, admittably he had a knack for showmanship and a wealth of experience in handling the snappier critters.

But certainly not thought well of within the wildlife handler fraternity. And a complete *beep* in the minds of most of the great unwashed. Mate,I'm from near Steve's hometown and used to work alongside Parks and wildlife staff. And i can say that the way he operated pissed off so many in that field. When handling crocs and snakes, you don't stir 'em up.
You respect 'em, not aggravate them just to make a bigdick of yourself on tv. The bloke was a tosser. Accidental death? Nope, just acting like a jackass one too many times.

As for being an australian icon? the term 'cultural cringe' was invented for tossers like that.

And the so-called famous icons you mentioned? I guess you've never been here.... Russel Crowe's a kiwi, the singing budgie is now a pommy 'cause nobody buys her records here, ..and who was the other one???

Regarding the OP, yeah the tall poppy syndrome is alive and well in Australia. Doesn't mean you can't get ahead and achieve something great. Nothing stopping you there. Go for it, and congratulations when you get there.

Start talking yourself up however, start strutting around like you have a foot-long cucumber up your bum, and you can expect derisive cries of "what a $@#!$ great tosser". Generally the reason why american tourists aren't typically welcomed with open arms and smiles. Doesn't mean you can't do well for yourself. To the contrary, Australia is one of those places where if you work hard you can get anywhere. Just don't get too full of yourself.
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komtengi



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

most aussies hated him cause he was so ocker..
like Crocodile Dundee... the yanks love it, but most aussies aren't that ocker nor do they want to be
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont speak for all Australians OK!!
If you want to say he was not liked in Australia then thats your right..
but you are wrong and the facts prove it!

He was VERY MUCH LOVED by the education community! he was loved by children and people abroad! he had countless TV SHOWS, documentaries, appeared in hundreds if not thousands of tv shows, talk shows, etc..

WHY? oh yeah becuase he was a complete tosser, and thats what Australians do, we put tossers on the telly, we put people who the public dislike on the telly...

out newspapers have write ups about it all the time, when he died, every network, every paper followed his death then 1 and 2 years after they did tributes which can be found here..



http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/index/0,22045,5009080,00.html

all this for a man who was not loved by Australians..

you have no clue what you are talking about !!

Ill say it again! HE WAS AN AUSTRALIAN ICON! and loved by the people!
yes some people in his line of business might think his ways were not right!

he got more press than peter brock did when he died!
more press and attention than Michael Hutchences,
and much more love!!
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Suwon23



Joined: 24 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

every time I meet an Aussie in Korea the first thing they do is smile and talk about the interesting things they've done or seen. even if it was a bad experience, they talk about it with this chill, "life's an adventure" sort of attitude. They rarely bad-mouth Korea or other foreigners, and they're genuinely eager to make new friends. When I meet a new Canadian or American, they immediately start whining about America or Korea (respectively), in a condescending tone that suggests they know all and come from the only perfect culture on Earth.

Aussie's kick ass is what I'm saying. But dudes, get a new song. Waltzing Matilda makes about as much sense as Louis Louis.
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D.D.



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to Aus and loved it at first. University there was awesome, so I stayed after graduation. Things were really cool until I became better off than my friends. I opened a business and did very well. Then I got to live through this tall poppy syndrome.

Some Aussies get very jealous and will sabotage people that do better than they are doing. Some of my best mates did this to me even after I gave them jobs.

With a sad heart I left after I noticed that the laid back attitude was just under achievement and passive aggression in disguise.

Still have some great friends down there but I am having second thoughts about returning. No place is perfect but the cost of living and the be average attitude is draining.

If you are from North America you will be considered a jerk if you try your best and act confident.

Aussies don't have a strong sense of a true identity and can have a pack animal mentality. It is not the most racist neutral place and after a while you will see racism playing it's ugly hand. It is much more subtle the racism from white to white.

On a lighter note- great beaches, awesome weather clean air, nice ladies, great wine, some really cool people.

Don't let that laid back attitude fool you. quite often people with limited chances in life act laid back. It is a sort of giving up attitude masked by sitting back.

Take away a dope smokers sedative( the smoke) and watch that passive aggression bubble to the surface.

Cheers gday mate and fair dinkum to you all.
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Easter Clark



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every Aussie I have ever met was a raging alcoholic who had trouble keeping opinions to themselves and had no shame whatsoever...just saying, is all.
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