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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:26 pm    Post subject: Let go due to an accent? Reply with quote

OK, so we have all heard the horror stories about Korean hagwan owners stranding their new hire at the airport when they discover their great on paper candidate is NOT white or NOT skinny. We have also heard about other hagwan owners making life a living hell for those foreigners, hoping they will quit, or dismissing them before they can get their airfare reimbursed or the severance pay owed them.
While I am by no means condoning the dodgy practices hagwan owners subscribe to when it comes to firing a teacher because they are not attractive, not thin, or not white, I think the whole accent thing is also ridiculous, because surely the teacher spoke with the recruiter or the school before coming over to Korea, and if accents are such a big deal, ideally, the recruiter would have let the school know that the person, as he or she is not from America, does not speak American English. They KNEW who they would be working with, and how they spoke, well in advance.
What I would like to know, is has anyone here, or anyone you know been fired for another purely arbitrary reason: "We don't like your accent?" Has anyone here tried to deal with it and try to sound "more American," or in an overexaggerated dialect told them where they could go?
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew a gut who is fired for his Australian accent NINE MONTHS INTO his contract. When they hired him they know he was Australian and they knew for nine months, but one day he came to work and he was fired for his accent. he was SHOCKED!! He stayed here, went to the labour board and got his severance plus airfare and the 3 months till the end of his contract. he was pretty satisfied with that.
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Emma Clare



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly, my college hired my co-woker and I because we weren't from America. He's Canadian, and I'm English (Although the one American they did hire had to pull out, and was never replaced) My college thought it was important that the students be exposed to all different kinds of accents, as America is actually not the epi-centre of the world (It's true!) and that many Koreans also travel to places other than the US.

The weird thing is, that right from the start, my students have sounded more 'English' in their pronunciation than they ever did American (They sound about as American as Prince Charles does) and whenever I try and teach them with an American accent they all try and correct me.

I say, "Toe-mayy-toe"

They say "Huh?? Toe-mah-toe!"
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often worry that my having a chicken accent might be a cause for concern Shocked . But, it is an American chicken accent, so maybe that's ok. Wink
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katydid



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emma Clare wrote:
Interestingly, my college hired my co-woker and I because we weren't from America. He's Canadian, and I'm English (Although the one American they did hire had to pull out, and was never replaced) My college thought it was important that the students be exposed to all different kinds of accents, as America is actually not the epi-centre of the world (It's true!) and that many Koreans also travel to places other than the US.


You see, now, this is just too cool for words. It seems rare that a hagwan owneror school director would be at all interested in other accents, and I think it's very refreshing that he has the (absolutely correct) view that America is not the epicenter (excuse me, Emma, not correcting your spelling, but I am American) Wink of the world. So Koreans should be exposed to as many different accents as possible. It's one thing to hire someone whose own English is a little shaky grammatically, but completely another to be an accent snob and think American English is the best English and all the Australians, New Zealanders, and British (and South Africans) had better start faking they are from Iowa.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You hide your bean town voice quite well. Cool Embarassed Laughing Wink Confused
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katydid



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's with the Emoticons on Parade, weatherman? Smile
LOL Lucky for me I was only there for 5 years. My friends told me I was starting to sound more and more from there as the years went on.
I should do that sometime....teach Phonics with a Boston accent. Today we are studying the letter "Ah." Wink
I told my boyfriend from Australia, who happens to be the inspiration for this thread, that for just one day he should show up with the worst ever American accent he could put on (My apologies to anyone who is from there, but I was thinking Deep DEEP South). I wonder if then, they'd be happy to take the lesser of the two "evils," and let him converse naturally.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worst accents I have heard are from Africa...those countries that profess to speak English.

We had a couple people from Africa interview at our school a few years back...I could barely understand wtf they were saying.

So yeah I think if you decide you can understand someone enough to hire them, you should keep them.
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justagirl



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I'm from Iowa! ..... I should ask for a sign-on bonus for my next contract.....he he he Laughing

justa*un-accented*girl
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katydid



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently, justa, Middle American is the type of accent the hagwans want for some reason. I'm from the Northeast myself, and somehow escaped there with all my R's intact. Wink So people have a hard time guessing where I am from, when I feel like making them guess. Smile
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Kwangjuchicken



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="katydid"]Apparently, justa, Middle American is the type of accent the hagwans want for some reason. quote]

So, I guess my being a chicken from Ohio, has been an asset. Laughing
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Ryst Helmut



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

katydid wrote:

I told my boyfriend from Australia, who happens to be the inspiration for this thread, that for just one day he should show up with the worst ever American accent he could put on (My apologies to anyone who is from there, but I was thinking Deep DEEP South).


Actually, I remember in uni. a study was conducted on how people perceive others (due to their accent), and the accent people felt was the most 'ig-nant' sounding was Bostonian/NYer...then hillbilly Hal.

FYI, and no, I can not point to the research.

Shoosh,

Ryst
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katydid



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryst Helmut wrote:
Actually, I remember in uni. a study was conducted on how people perceive others (due to their accent), and the accent people felt was the most 'ig-nant' sounding was Bostonian/NYer...then hillbilly Hal.


And who did the study? The University of Connecticut or Rutgers University in New Jersey? Razz
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sid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emma Clare wrote:


The weird thing is, that right from the start, my students have sounded more 'English' in their pronunciation than they ever did American (They sound about as American as Prince Charles does) and whenever I try and teach them with an American accent they all try and correct me.

I say, "Toe-mayy-toe"

They say "Huh?? Toe-mah-toe!"


I think that might be because when you Konglish-ise a word (ie pronounce it as if it were written in hangul) it ends up sounding slightly more British than American. 'Tomato' is a good example as is 'Harry Potter'. Always annoys me when I hear a North American teacher correcting the 'Po-tuh' to 'Paaah-durrrrr'!
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katydid



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But you know, when a T is in the middle of the word, it just happens to slur to a D sound. Water, matter, better...it becomes a slight d.
I have heard that Konglish is pretty similar in pronunciation to British English, too. So...how come lots of Koreans get headaches whenever they hear a British person speak? Oh that's right....the hagwans and schools want everyone to speak American-style English! Rolling Eyes
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