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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Dieting and Kimbab? Reply with quote

So I've been going to the gym for about two weeks and working out. After that I go have dinner which consists of two Tuna Kimbab with no mayonaise or that icky soup they give.

Just curious on your thoughts. Does the kimbab offset the weight I've lost at the gym? If so, what Korean food would you reccoemend for a diet?
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Dieting and Kimbab? Reply with quote

afsjesse wrote:
So I've been going to the gym for about two weeks and working out. After that I go have dinner which consists of two Tuna Kimbab with no mayonaise or that icky soup they give.

Just curious on your thoughts. Does the kimbab offset the weight I've lost at the gym? If so, what Korean food would you reccoemend for a diet?


I'm surprised you can get anything without globs of that nasty mayo they glob on everything.

cut back on the rice.

in a BIG way.

then tell me how you feel after 2-3 weeks.


Korean cuisine strikes me as so strange from a nutritional standpoint.
Generally speaking, quite low caloric and healthy.
Yet they glob that nasty mayo on every salad, corn and even apples!!!
their main meat - pork is fatty and caloric.
and they love fried things (fried is usually DEATH nutritionally) and if something isn't drowning in mayo, it's drowning in some SAUCE or whatever they've globbed all over it.

Sauce - 99% of the time means empty calories.

I'm convinced they can tolerate eating more rice than we can and not blow up but there are portion size and snacking aspects that also must come into play.

fish will always be good and low calories (so long as it's also not swimming in some goddamn sauce)


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optik404



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just eat chicken breast and veggies every day. or chicken and brown rice.
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emilylovesyou



Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: here

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the type of workout you have and what that specific kimbap has in it besides the usual radish/cucumber/etc.

If I were you, I'd try to get in a more varied diet than just tuna kimbap. Diet should be about 60% of your weight loss, and exercise 40%. The best way to loose weight through exercise are fast movements, like 100 yard dashes, or stepping through tires. Also free weights are good, squats, lunges, etc. more than machines. Machines if done wrongly can really injure you. Also adding yoga-like stretches and a cardio workout like kick boxing maybe three times a week is good too.

So my advice: vary your workout routine and start eating a more varied diet (not like don katsu, but maybe something like kimchi jigae)
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icnelly



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Research your BMR, and RMR and multiply by an activity factor, then with that special number of calories do this: don't eat anymore than that. Done!!

Also research macronutrition: fat, carbs, and protein, as they're the basic fundamentals when making a healthy meal plan.

The basic simple principle: calorie reduction for weightloss and calorie surplus for gaining...pretty easy, right?

You asked about kimbop: it's a fine food with alot of energy from the rice, but that you don't know how it will affect you shows me that you don't know your caloric intake or its macronutritional split.
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NoExplode



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 cup cooked has approx. 82g refined carbs, so you're consuming 164 carbs in rice. High GI as well. When you eat a food with a high GI, the GI is cut significantly when you pair the food with other things. Eat some meat with that rice, and the GI will be cut in half, just like spreading peanut butter will cut the GI of a slice of white bread. IE, don't worry about it so much so long as your not a carb addict who eats plain rice and pasta with nothing else.

That said, I prefer rice for my carbs over bread, seems to fill me up more. Just do a google and find out what you're consuming. If you're not the active sort, rice will be worse for you than someone who works outs 2 hours a day. In that case, maybe switch to brown rice or something.
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icnelly



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NoExplode wrote:
If you're not the active sort, rice will be worse for you than someone who works outs 2 hours a day. In that case, maybe switch to brown rice or something.


This is a total misnomer; brown rice and white rice have very close to the same macronutritional makeup (caloric value/type), but where they differ is in the micronutritional makeup: brown rice has all sorts of extra value there.

Did you know you burn about 500 calories in 8 hours of sleep; that's about 1 roll of kimbop... Smile

I also prefer rice (brown or mixed with beans) to bread; it tastes better, and def. does fill me up more (at least I think).
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

icnelly wrote:
Research your BMR, and RMR and multiply by an activity factor, then with that special number of calories do this: don't eat anymore than that. Done!!


Easier said than done. Calculating BMR and researching macronutrients isn't that much work, but finding out the nutritional content of each and every thing you eat is a big chore.

One alternative that you can use is portion size: a portion of protein should be the size of your palm (for example, a chicken breast), starchy carbohydrate your whole open hand (potato or some rice) and green vegetables or fruit your whole fist.
Not as scientific, but for an active person who doesn't want to calorie count, it's surprisingly quite accurate.
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Re: Dieting and Kimbab? Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:
afsjesse wrote:
So I've been going to the gym for about two weeks and working out. After that I go have dinner which consists of two Tuna Kimbab with no mayonaise or that icky soup they give.

Just curious on your thoughts. Does the kimbab offset the weight I've lost at the gym? If so, what Korean food would you reccoemend for a diet?


I'm surprised you can get anything without globs of that nasty mayo they glob on everything.

cut back on the rice.

in a BIG way.

then tell me how you feel after 2-3 weeks.


Korean cuisine strikes me as so strange from a nutritional standpoint.
Generally speaking, quite low caloric and healthy.
Yet they glob that nasty mayo on every salad, corn and even apples!!!
their main meat - pork is fatty and caloric.
and they love fried things (fried is usually DEATH nutritionally) and if something isn't drowning in mayo, it's drowning in some SAUCE or whatever they've globbed all over it.

Sauce - 99% of the time means empty calories.

I'm convinced they can tolerate eating more rice than we can and not blow up but there are portion size and snacking aspects that also must come into play.

fish will always be good and low calories (so long as it's also not swimming in some goddamn sauce)


You're talking about Seoul food. And why is there mayo+deep fried on everything because of all the foreigners. I've never ever seen a Korean put mayo on apples. As far as food portions, Koreans eat far less per portion than in America. Hell, go to McDonalds. In Korea the largest size is like a medium in the states.

Koreans eat a lot of seafood which is high in nutrition as well as lots of vegetables and soups. Try eating at places that offer "countryside food". Korean food has always been traditionally very healthy. It wasn't until western influences introduced numerous unhealthy eating options.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_cuisine
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Gillian57



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Korean food has always been traditionally very healthy. It wasn't until western influences introduced numerous unhealthy eating options. "


Oh PLEASE. Koreans traditionally starved until the advent of the dreaded Western food. For pity sake, read your history books. I am so damn tired of hearing how Western food distroyed the health benefits of Traditional Korean Food. It has been Western influence that has ALLOWED Koreans to GROW for f@#$k's sake. Before Western influence, Korean were short little shits.

As for the health benefits of current "Traditional Korean food," ah, yeah, right. Fat and salt. Oh, and copious amounts of red pepper paste, just what a good stomach-cancer needs to thrive....

As far as western influences introducing numerous unhealthy eating options, well, gee, I guess that comes with freedom and democracy. How about Korea developing a little something like Self-control...... Every time I bake cookies or cakes to bring to share in the teacher's room I sit back and watch the shark-fest. Rather disgusting display of shovelling food into mouth. Then they have the balls to complain that the "Treats" I brought in were "Too sweet" and why don't I make them more Korean??? WTF? They were TREATS not MEALS.

I give up.
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, I concur with Gillian's post

and what about Ks love of donuts - ?? jees - back in the U.S. I ate maybe 1-2 donuts a year - a YEAR -

these people seem to eat them all the time - ever pick up a K donut - OMG they weigh like a pound a piece!!

someone else mentioned how there must be some bulimia going on here - I totally believe it - seeing a skinny little schoolgirl picking up donuts in the bakery - oh yeah uh huh - tell me you aren't going to puke that up right after you eat it!

and don't even get me started about how many Ks think those of us who don't eat beef or pork are strange -

not to mention eating dogs - yeah, K food is loaded with nutrition, uh huh.

where's the steamed veges? when do they steam anything?? or broil?? virtually everything is either boiled to death or fried to death - taste is irrelevant.

Rolling Eyes
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go heavy on the cardio, preferably interval training (bike or treadmill), and cut your carbs to under 30 a day (20 if possible). After a few weeks, work in serious veggies. Snack on almonds or pecans. Watch the weight come off.

Go lighter weight training after the cardio to keep your heart rate up. You'll see better gains in definition, too, as opposed to going with heavy weights. Also, this keeps the pain and risks of injury down to a minimum, and is easier to maintain in the long run. Spare yourself the powders and shakes. Good luck.
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samd



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
yeah, I concur with Gillian's post

and what about Ks love of donuts - ?? jees - back in the U.S. I ate maybe 1-2 donuts a year - a YEAR -

these people seem to eat them all the time - ever pick up a K donut - OMG they weigh like a pound a piece!!

someone else mentioned how there must be some bulimia going on here - I totally believe it - seeing a skinny little schoolgirl picking up donuts in the bakery - oh yeah uh huh - tell me you aren't going to puke that up right after you eat it!

and don't even get me started about how many Ks think those of us who don't eat beef or pork are strange -

not to mention eating dogs - yeah, K food is loaded with nutrition, uh huh.

where's the steamed veges? when do they steam anything?? or broil?? virtually everything is either boiled to death or fried to death - taste is irrelevant.

Rolling Eyes


Koreans "seem" to eat donuts all the time. Therefore, they must all be bulimic. Nice thesis. Actually, it doesn't take a genius to see that Koreans eat much healthier than us on the whole.

Regardless of whether you suport eating dog or not, it's got nothing to do with nutrition.

Who likes steamed veges? I'm so happy not to encounter horror foods like steamed cabbage or boiled carrots over here. Whenever I explain these words to my students they recoil in shock and struggle to understand how anyody could eat vegetables cooked this way. Also, mandu are steamed most of the time.
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samd



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gillian57 wrote:
"Korean food has always been traditionally very healthy. It wasn't until western influences introduced numerous unhealthy eating options. "


Oh PLEASE. Koreans traditionally starved until the advent of the dreaded Western food. For pity sake, read your history books. I am so damn tired of hearing how Western food distroyed the health benefits of Traditional Korean Food. It has been Western influence that has ALLOWED Koreans to GROW for f@#$k's sake. Before Western influence, Korean were short little shits.

As for the health benefits of current "Traditional Korean food," ah, yeah, right. Fat and salt. Oh, and copious amounts of red pepper paste, just what a good stomach-cancer needs to thrive....

As far as western influences introducing numerous unhealthy eating options, well, gee, I guess that comes with freedom and democracy. How about Korea developing a little something like Self-control...... Every time I bake cookies or cakes to bring to share in the teacher's room I sit back and watch the shark-fest. Rather disgusting display of shovelling food into mouth. Then they have the balls to complain that the "Treats" I brought in were "Too sweet" and why don't I make them more Korean??? WTF? They were TREATS not MEALS.

I give up.


Terribly written and offensive post.
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

samd wrote:


Koreans "seem" to eat donuts all the time. Therefore, they must all be bulimic. Nice thesis. Actually, it doesn't take a genius to see that Koreans eat much healthier than us on the whole.

Regardless of whether you suport eating dog or not, it's got nothing to do with nutrition.

Who likes steamed veges? I'm so happy not to encounter horror foods like steamed cabbage or boiled carrots over here. Whenever I explain these words to my students they recoil in shock and struggle to understand how anyody could eat vegetables cooked this way. Also, mandu are steamed most of the time.


uh, I see donuts for sale everywhere - so people must be eating them. I see skinny little girls eating very fattening foods soooo - it's not rocket science - but perhaps you are in denial about what really goes on in bathrooms?

as for eating dog - duh - seems the only reason it's deemed appropriate and acceptable is for the alleged stamina-producing effect - i.e. a nutritional value - of canine meat.

as for who likes steamed veges? well apparently enough people do that steamers are sold in kitchenware stores Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes and not just for steaming tasteless pasty dough

steamed veges are very nutritious - and very tasty - if you don't like them it's because you obviously don't know what a vege is supposed to taste like Laughing Laughing

crisp-tender, light, delectable
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