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Will there ever be a Korean version of Obama?
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Will Korea elect a mixed race candidate in our lifetimes?
Yes
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No
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agentX



Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Will there ever be a Korean version of Obama? Reply with quote

The locals seem pleased with the election of Sen. Obama to the White House this past Wednesday. That's wonderful and all, but it begs the question:

Will a mixed-race Korean ever be elected to the presidency of Korea??

I asked my co-teachers about this. All I got was deadpan stares. Maybe I should've asked the question in Korean. Question
There is a growing number of children from international marriages in South Korea- I got my co-teachers to acknowledge this.

So, based on what you know of Korean racial dynamics, is it possible for a qualified mixed-race candidate to be elected in South Korea, or a unified Korea?
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there even a mixed race member of Korea's legislature? Wait for that to happen before you start talking Korean Obamas.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well its not the first time something jaw dropping has happened like that
the first elected president of korea had a western wife.. so the first first lady of korea was infact a non korean..

now regarding a mixed raced korean for president..
sure its possible..
as long as he is smart and came from harvard or something..
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with itaewonguy. Korea does not have the kind of vicious racist past to overcome like the countries most of us come from. In my view, Koreans are sometimes overeager to be seen as progressive and globalized.
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bangbayed



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, and not so much because of racism. Unless by mixed-race you mean Korean-Japanese, and even that... Korea is not a multi-ethnic nation and does not have a history of immigrants building the country. If it becomes like that, then sure.

I don't see that happening "in our lifetime" though.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
well its not the first time something jaw dropping has happened like that
the first elected president of korea had a western wife.. so the first first lady of korea was infact a non korean..

now regarding a mixed raced korean for president..
sure its possible..
as long as he is smart and came from harvard or something..


Seriously? Been here years, and never heard that! Wow.

I imagine that was hard for some to swallow!
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Gollywog



Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Debussy's brain

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not the issue.

Mixed race is largely irrelevant to the election. For all practical purposes, Obama was Black. In reality, he was White. He was raised by White grandparents, and his Black father was not an African-American, descended, genetically and spiritually, from America's original sin of slavery; he was African. Even so, Americans elect minorities all the time. The governors of New York and Louisiana are minorities. There are Senators, Congressmen, sheriffs, state legislators, judges, etc., etc., etc., who are minorities all over the United States, including the South. This is not news. The only thing different here is that Obama was elected President.

The real issue is can Korea ever elect a real leader?

Is it possible for someone who bucks the status quo to organize a movement to make major changes to Korea, and to get elected to the highest office in the process? Could such a person create a mass movement that Koreans would donate billions of won to, and volunteer many hours of time to?

A Confucian, slavishly conformist society, such as Korea, only works when there are some wise leaders at the top directing the course of that society. As far as I can tell, Korea totally lacks political, social and cultural leadership, aside from the marketing arm of corporations, and the political arm of the KTU.
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Bigfeet



Joined: 29 May 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gollywog wrote:

Is it possible for someone who bucks the status quo to organize a movement to make major changes to Korea, and to get elected to the highest office in the process?


You answered your own question:

Gollywog wrote:

A Confucian, slavishly conformist society, such as Korea,


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Kimchi Cha Cha



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I agree with itaewonguy. Korea does not have the kind of vicious racist past to overcome like the countries most of us come from. In my view, Koreans are sometimes overeager to be seen as progressive and globalized.


That's only because all visible minorities that didn't assimilate were kicked out a la most of the ethnic Chinese population during Park Chang-hee's reign. It's not called the hermit kingdom for nothing. If here was a haven for minorities then why aren't their any sizeable minorities in this country for roots of more than 20 years (excluding the often maligned Hwagyo community which was frequently persecuted)?

Granted most of the minorities that made it to the Korean peninsula throughout history were conquerors, colonizers, mercenaries, missionaries and merchants, not the type of people many people welcome with open arms.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Granted most of the minorities that made it to the Korean peninsula throughout history were conquerors, colonizers, mercenaries, missionaries and merchants, not the type of people many people welcome with open arms.


You pretty well undermined your own argument with the truth there. Not a good strategy.

Yes, it's true that 40 years ago Korea drove out its only ethnic minority following a devastating war with that minority's homeland. Racism? Or just normal antipathy? Hmmm...

If you have been here 14 years like I have, you might have a different perspective on how fast this place changes. Does it keep pace with the romanticized versions of waygookins' fantasies about their homeland? Probably not. Few places in the real world do.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's also interesting to wonder if an orphaned or adopted Korean could be elected. People definitely hold strong prejudices about that.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
It's also interesting to wonder if an orphaned or adopted Korean could be elected. People definitely hold strong prejudices about that.


Yes, I think that would be much more difficult here than a mixed blood.
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coffeeandmilk



Joined: 23 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I agree with itaewonguy. Korea does not have the kind of vicious racist past to overcome like the countries most of us come from. In my view, Koreans are sometimes overeager to be seen as progressive and globalized.


Are you serious?
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course among the younger of us, who can say what will happen in our lifetimes? It's hard enough to predict even if you're as old and wise as YaTa boy. Wink

I'd say it's certainly possible, but we'd see nuclear fusion and world peace first.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In terms of the racial dynamics I am not sure, but let's not forget that the current Korean president came from a background characterised by abject poverty.
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