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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:00 am    Post subject: Interesting idea. Reply with quote

Open a hagwon near a major university area where you only hire F-series visa teachers. You hire many.

Each teacher works part-time for a very low wage (say 1,000 won per hour), but is allowed to "recruit" students to come there for classes. The students must pay the hagwon 10,000 won per hour for the private lesson. Of course, the teacher and the student could work out some form of extra compensation that is paid outside of the class -- say 40,000 won per hour. Wink Or less per student if more students join the class with that teacher.

Basically, set it up so that the teachers can teach legally at that location, and any extra costs the students pay is handled outside of the class -- not involving the school (a location for them to legally teach privates -- or at least appear to be legally doing so).

Maybe you could hire some part-time E-2's as well. As long as their hours/pay are under a certain amount, and their school agrees to it, they could get it put on their ARC.

Hmm.
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Gusss



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm.
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Gusss



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.
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Gusss



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very very interesting.
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Gusss



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shouldnt think theyd stand for it though.
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GreenlightmeansGO



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm...if I understand it correctly, the actual Hagwon wouldn't be making that much money...depending on popularity and size, of course.

Let's say you have 10 classes a day, that's 100 000 per day...supposing you have classes every day of the month, you are looking at about W3 000 000 total. Then you have to deduct the expenses: rent, stationary, lights...

The people scoring, in a way, would be the teachers. Is that the aim?

To adapt the model a bit, couldn't a group of teachers invest in the business and share the premises? That way the costs are shared, the business could expand and each teacher is responsible for his or her own success or failure.

A benefit of this plan - opening a hagwon with several other teachers involved - is that you could spread the wealth (I am not Obama's sock Smile ) and students can visit more than one teacher.
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mishlert



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GreenlightmeansGO wrote:
Hmmm...if I understand it correctly, the actual Hagwon wouldn't be making that much money...depending on popularity and size, of course.

Let's say you have 10 classes a day, that's 100 000 per day...supposing you have classes every day of the month, you are looking at about W3 000 000 total. Then you have to deduct the expenses: rent, stationary, lights...

The people scoring, in a way, would be the teachers. Is that the aim?

To adapt the model a bit, couldn't a group of teachers invest in the business and share the premises? That way the costs are shared, the business could expand and each teacher is responsible for his or her own success or failure.

A benefit of this plan - opening a hagwon with several other teachers involved - is that you could spread the wealth (I am not Obama's sock Smile ) and students can visit more than one teacher.


That is not the way I understood it. When I read it my understanding was 10,000 per student.
Doing the math based on one classroom with 4 students.
In one hour the school gets KW40,000 minus KW 5,000 to the F visa teacher for the hour. In 1 hour the school gets KW35,000.
Of course the school will have more classrooms and could easily book up to 4, or 5 hours.
You could also not pay the teacher because the students are paying for the classroom. What I mean is that you are providing a place for them to teach their students for a fee. This fee is already paid by the students, so no need paying the teachers, just make it worth it by equipping each room with a projector and computer, and let them have free use of copier along with free coffee and tea.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are going to run into a ton of overhead costs. You can't just set up a hakwon in any size building - there are space requirements. So, you would have to at least cheonsae the room. There would also be all sorts of costs for licences and permits to run a hakwon. And, of course, there would be taxes on each "finders fee" for each student you would find. I suspect it would hardly be worth it unless you could charge a high enough fee.

You may also find that other hakwons might try to get you in trouble/investigated and you might need to bribe officials to let various government agencies "look the other way" even if you are not doing anything wrong.

F-visa holders can get private tutoring licences anyway.
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Join Me



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your biggest problem? 99.9% of people in the world want nothing to do with selling even if it means the opportunity to increase their income. That is why the vast majority of people in the world are worker ants who go to work while the boss makes the profit and does the selling.
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Join Me wrote:
Your biggest problem? 99.9% of people in the world want nothing to do with selling...


Naw... bassexpander's biggest problem is that he knows Yu Bum-suk. Wink
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