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Koreans say crisis worse than 1997 as stocks tumble
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seosan08



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:25 am    Post subject: Koreans say crisis worse than 1997 as stocks tumble Reply with quote

Koreans say crisis worse than 1997 as stocks tumble

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=181653

SEOUL (Bloomberg) -- Park Ji Eun�s dream of buying her first house in Seoul collapsed along with South Korea�s shares and currency.

�I�ve never seen the economy so bad,� said freelance scriptwriter Park, 32, whose pay from a radio music program was cut by 15 percent after the station suffered a drop in advertising. �I�ve worked on this program for eight years, and this is the first time I�ve ever had my pay cut.�

From writers to builders to chief executives, the won�s 26 percent slump and the Kospi stock index�s 40 percent plunge this year has revived memories of 1997, when the government was forced to turn to the International Monetary Fund for a $57 billion bailout. Only this time, they say it will be worse.

The central bank cut interest rates a record 75 basis points at an emergency meeting Oct. 27 to shore up an economy that last quarter grew at the slowest pace in four years.

Housewife Tae Hur, 55, has stopped dining out and shopping. Hur joined a stock-investing boom last year as the Kospi surged 33 percent to record highs, along with jumps in overseas markets. Now, she is watching her savings disappear with �a desperation like nothing I knew during the Asian crisis.�

The number of retail equity-investment accounts more than doubled to a record 17 million in 2007 from a year earlier, according to data from the Asset Management Association of Korea.

-------------- �Hard to bear�

�So many people piled into stocks late last year because they were feeling left out of the bonanza, with the Kospi hitting 2,000 and Chinese stocks gaining more than 100 percent,� said Park Hyun Chul, a fund analyst at Meritz Securities Co. in Seoul. �Most of them have never experienced a market like what we have now, so they find it hard to bear.�

The government on Sunday announced 14 trillion won (10.9 billion dollars) in extra spending and tax benefits for 2009 aimed at small businesses, low-income earners and the property market.

Son Yu Nam, who installs electrical systems in new homes and offices, said business is flagging and he is facing delays in payments for previous jobs as the economic downturn deepens.

�There was still a lot of building going on in the first half, but that�s drying up these days,� said the 41-year-old.

The backlog of unsold homes surged this year to the highest in more than a decade and defaults by Korean builders increased for the first time in five years.

Son said business was brisk during the 1997-1998 crisis as restaurants changed hands and people who lost jobs opened their own stores. �I�m not seeing that this time around.�

-------------------- 1997 Vs 2008

South Korean stocks fell 42 percent in 1997, while the currency plunged to 1,695 against the dollar, from 844.90. This year, the benchmark stock index has fallen as much as 51 percent and the won is the worst performing currency in Asia.

The economy expanded 0.6 percent in the third quarter, down from 0.8 percent in the previous three months, as consumer spending stagnated and exports fell by the most in seven years.

Ssangyong Motor Co., a South Korean unit of China�s largest automaker, said on Oct. 28 it may ask office workers to take leave to reduce costs after vehicle sales tumbled 23 percent in the first nine months of 2008.

Korea�s jobs growth moderated in September to the weakest pace in more than three years as manufacturers, builders and retailers cut employees.

And it�s not just workers facing fallout from the credit crisis sweeping the globe; chief executive officers from 18 Korean banks have taken a pay cut.

----------- �Share Koreans� pain�

Banks feel �deep responsibility for the current situation� and want to �share Koreans� pain,� the executives said in a statement Oct. 22.

Shinhan Financial Group Ltd., which runs South Korea�s third-largest bank, will slash its chief executive�s salary by 20 percent. Woori Finance Holdings Co., 73 percent owned by the government, said it will lower management pay by 10 percent, and Industrial Bank of Korea plans a 15 percent reduction.

As the global slump drives down exports, Korean consumers, saddled with record debt, are paring spending. Household debt was 153 percent of disposable income in the second quarter, according to UBS AG.

Spending at the nation�s biggest department stores fell 0.3 percent in September, the first decline this year, commerce ministry figures showed. Lotte Shopping Co.�s third-quarter profit tumbled 19 percent because of moderating sales.

------------------ �Bubble is bursting�

�Korea is the one economy in the region with a very large domestic credit bubble,� said Duncan Wooldridge, UBS�s chief Asia economist in Hong Kong. �There are signs that the bubble is bursting. The Korean economy should slow more rapidly in the quarters ahead.�

UBS forecasts the economy�s expansion will cool to 2.9 percent next year, the weakest pace since a contraction in 1998, as consumption growth slows by more than half.

A decline in the won, the second-worst performer of the world�s 16 most-traded currencies this year, is also creating headaches for Koreans.

It�s the main concern for laundry owner Teressa Chung, as it costs her more to send $1,000 every month to her two daughters studying in the U.S.

�I used to send 1 million won, but last time even 1.2 million won wouldn�t make 1,000 dollars,� said Chung, 54. �It�s so hard for me these days, no matter how much I pinch my pennies.�
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not good, but it isn't as bad as 1997 yet--I was here and I remember.
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People didn't learn their lessons.

They faced hardship 10-11 years ago, and they're already back to their old habits.
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seosan08



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
It's not good, but it isn't as bad as 1997 yet--I was here and I remember.


It hasn't really hit yet. It's like the summer of 1997 now, not the October-December time when the crash REALLY hit.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I realize that. What's your point?
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sojourner1



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is valid to say that Korea is facing big economic trouble too and facing a reality that could dull the sparkling business machine's image. The fantasy bubble can't go on. Too bad, because it's cool to new cities rise and new technologies innovated and payrolls go up.
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Bigfeet



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"As the global slump drives down exports, Korean consumers, saddled with record debt, are paring spending. Household debt was 153 percent of disposable income in the second quarter, according to UBS AG. "

This may really bite them. No savings to fall back on in a recession so they can't count on their own consumers propping their economy up in times of hardship.
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can say the same thing about Canada, too.

Most Canadians have very little savings, if any.

Most of their wealth tied up in real-estate, which is now rapidly deflating in Canada.

So much for the "Canada is different" line...
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada will have a slight recession, only due to trading partners not buying, etc.

People who bought within the last 2 years are going to have problems, but anyone else will be okay. Eastern Canada isn't doing that well (blue collar) but western Canada is fine.

Paddycakes wrote:
You can say the same thing about Canada, too.

Most Canadians have very little savings, if any.

Most of their wealth tied up in real-estate, which is now rapidly deflating in Canada.

So much for the "Canada is different" line...
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Bigfeet



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada have natural resources that they can dig up and sell.
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Canada will have a slight recession, only due to trading partners not buying, etc.

People who bought within the last 2 years are going to have problems, but anyone else will be okay. Eastern Canada isn't doing that well (blue collar) but western Canada is fine.



Well, oil is down big time, construction is down even bigger, Alberta is going into a bust cycle.

But I'm still bullish on long-term oil prices, so Alberta will probably recover in a few years time.

American sneezes and Canada catches a cold... phrases like that don't just fall out of thin air; they're usually rooted in some kind of experience.
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Join Me



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those people crying in that article are like the fools back in my country that were paying $500,000 for 2 bedroom houses in California and buying Google stock at $500 a share and holding it at $700 because they thought the good times would never end. Being greedy is one thing....being a fool is another.
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i4NI



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could someone explain why Korea is hurting more than, say Japan? I don't know economics worth a crap. But i've been wondering.
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea is no longer a mystery. Everyone knows the score. And they know better than to invest here.
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DCJames



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Join Me wrote:
Those people crying in that article are like the fools back in my country that were paying $500,000 for 2 bedroom houses in California and buying Google stock at $500 a share and holding it at $700 because they thought the good times would never end. Being greedy is one thing....being a fool is another.


huh??

The people in the article aren't foolish/greedy investors. No where in the article does it say they are. They're ordinary working class people.
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