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Bucheonguy
Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Location: Bucheon
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: My Dream... A Foreign Teachers Union |
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You know, I've been putting up with a lot of crap here, as I'm sure most of you have. I don't know what exactly motivated my little dream but I think it has something to do with sticking it to them.
Now I doubt very much it's possible, but wouldn't it be great if we unionized? I would love it. My main problem here, is that we're all reletively powerless against getting cheated or coming to a secure, pleasent work place. Our contracts are also rediculously weighted in the favour of our employers. Wouldn't it be nice, if all of us from Hagwan teachers to University instructors were in a union. We could also ensure some more quality control of who comes here to teach! I know you've all met the people I'm talking about; the people that give us all a bad name. We could be in charge is screening applicants and ensuring that only people who are resonably qualified get over here. Plus, it would probably help the rest of us to get better jobs, that sometimes go to people with no qualifications at all, or people that lie about their qualifications.
Most importantly though, it would protect our rights from the blatent acts of abuse and harassment that, I'm sure, most of us endure. We could also get some better compensation for the fact the Won is falling.
Imagine being able to complain about something that is seriously wrong, and not being told you're spoiled, or that you're a guest, or that if you don't like it you can go home. Imagine, not getting cheated out of pay checks or other promised contractual items. Imagine, exacting a little bit of justice on a fairly corrupt system that seems to enjoy jerking foreigners around. Also, it would give us a better support network and help us cope with living in the most unforgiving place I've ever seen.
Like I said, it's probably impossible, it's just my little dream. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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There's just one slight problem with your little dream - it's illegal.  |
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Bucheonguy
Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Location: Bucheon
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing wrong with dreaming the impossible dream. I honestly, don't even think I'd want to stay here anyway even if it was a reality. |
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Bucheonguy
Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Location: Bucheon
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, all unions were at one time illegal before they were forced into existance. All we've gotta do is just get enough people together, sit them down, get water cannoned a couple of times and, bingo, the laws change and we win. Or else we all get deported and most of us won't be worse for wear from it. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: My Dream... A Foreign Teachers Union |
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Bucheonguy wrote: |
You know, I've been putting up with a lot of crap here, as I'm sure most of you have. I don't know what exactly motivated my little dream but I think it has something to do with sticking it to them.
Now I doubt very much it's possible, but wouldn't it be great if we unionized? I would love it. My main problem here, is that we're all reletively powerless against getting cheated or coming to a secure, pleasent work place. Our contracts are also rediculously weighted in the favour of our employers. Wouldn't it be nice, if all of us from Hagwan teachers to University instructors were in a union. We could also ensure some more quality control of who comes here to teach! I know you've all met the people I'm talking about; the people that give us all a bad name. We could be in charge is screening applicants and ensuring that only people who are resonably qualified get over here. Plus, it would probably help the rest of us to get better jobs, that sometimes go to people with no qualifications at all, or people that lie about their qualifications.
Most importantly though, it would protect our rights from the blatent acts of abuse and harassment that, I'm sure, most of us endure. We could also get some better compensation for the fact the Won is falling.
Imagine being able to complain about something that is seriously wrong, and not being told you're spoiled, or that you're a guest, or that if you don't like it you can go home. Imagine, not getting cheated out of pay checks or other promised contractual items. Imagine, exacting a little bit of justice on a fairly corrupt system that seems to enjoy jerking foreigners around. Also, it would give us a better support network and help us cope with living in the most unforgiving place I've ever seen.
Like I said, it's probably impossible, it's just my little dream. |
I understand your sentiments. A union already exists, and it is called ATEK http://atek.or.kr/index.php/contacts. I am not sure what they are exactly doing, because I haven't heard much from them. Some people are very skeptical about unions. Some feel it is very risky to be in a union in Korea. |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: Start it outside the land of sparkles |
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cruisemonkey wrote: |
There's just one slight problem with your little dream - it's illegal. :lol: |
Then form it in the USA. But what does it matter?
We could talk all day about starting a union, but trust me, after hanging out here a few months, I know it'd never get off the ground. TESOL teachers don't give a whack enough about each other to exert the necessary effort required to start a union and keep it going. It's actually a laughable notion, really. One can rarely come here, post his opinions about the TESOL world, and NOT have his eyes clawed out, figuratively speaking, by those who subscribe to ad hominem attacks. These people are going to get along with each other enough to make the compromises necessary to make a union work? Get real.
In TESOL, it's "me, me, me, and *beep* everybody else." That prevailing attitude won't give rise to a union, at least any union that will last.
To form a union and keep it flying, everyone must get on board and sacrifice more or less the same amount. If only a few are doing all the work and making all the sacrifices while the majority mooches off that work without making any effort or respecting union decisions, it'll flop. I'd love to be involved, but until I KNOW I wouldn't be playing the fool by sacrificing more than my fair share, I'll stand on the sidelines. |
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Dodgy Al
Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Ahh... the annual 'let's form a union' thread...
Congratulation!  |
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DrunkenMaster

Joined: 04 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone know how I can get a uni job? |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: |
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DrunkenMaster wrote: |
Does anyone know how I can get a uni job? |
Apply for one? |
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DrunkenMaster

Joined: 04 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: |
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What are the best uni jobs and how do I get one? |
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GreenlightmeansGO

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:34 am Post subject: |
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DrunkenMaster wrote: |
What are the best uni jobs and how do I get one? |
The ones that pay the most, have the longest holiday and treat you like an ESL God. You can find one in your dreams, so start sleeping. |
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Bigfeet

Joined: 29 May 2008 Location: Grrrrr.....
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it'd work, too much churn and not enough traits in common between us. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: |
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So a teachers union would serve as a liaison between the foreign English teachers and the country itself. This has been mentioned and even attempted in years past, but it was determined a while back on here that the revolving door in this industry doesn't keep people around long enough to hold something together while the long termers tend to keep a low profile to make good money and be with their Korean wife. This would have to be something Korea supports as an accommodating way of inviting foreigners as civil service personnel. I don't know of any countries that have unions for foreign workers.
Here are some examples of the benefits, but not limited to these I list.
* It could establish a protocol for setting foreigners up with a cell phone instead of having all this confusion and frustrations over stores denying service like they often do.
* Ask the government to exempt us from paying exorbitant air travel taxes associated with flying in and out of Korea since we find it unfair since we compare apples (Korean market) to oranges (Western market) due to not being Korean.
* Act as a research institution that gathers and collates all relevant Korea related information to link a knowledge base between the foreign teacher and any situation he/she may need some assistance with as well as provide him/her with detailed maps, detailed transportation info, printed translations, and all other relevant info that newbies and sometimes veterans need, but can't find.
* Be involved with orientation of all new teachers in sharing a wealth of country specific information that will aid them in their sojourn as Korea still severely lacks info in English outside of major tourist attractions, mostly in Seoul, due to Korea not being an international tourist kind of place where many foreigners travel.
* Provide translators who also serve as mediators in situations such as a legal issue, employer issue, or traffic accident dispute.
* Consider and propose teacher pay raises due to weakening won and rising costs of living in Korea.
I'm sure there's many other reasons why we'd want a teachers union too numerous to list. I guess foreigners are not going to have a union as we don't have the right to do that in Korea nor does Korea show an interest in it. Uh, no this is not a nonsensical idea, but we're in a foreign country that really is not a democracy. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Dodgy Al wrote: |
Ahh... the annual 'let's form a union' thread...
Congratulation!  |
Yep. Doesn't look like ATEK has changed a thing...including that. |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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