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bacasper



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Obama shifts towards New World Gov't Reply with quote

Ron Paul Warns Of Great Shift Toward Global Government Under Obama

Congressman says president elect was chosen long ago to take care of the corporate elite

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Wednesday, Nov 5, 2008



Texas Congressman and 2008 presidential candidate Ron Paul has warned that the euphoria surrounding the election of Barack Obama combined with the overwhelming fear of major international crises could facilitate a cataclysmic shift toward a new world order.

Appearing live on the Alex Jones show earlier today, the Congressman spoke of a feeling of dread surrounding the change of guard both in the White House and on Capitol Hill:

"I do feel it but I don't think it's brand new, I didn't wake up with it, I've had it for a while, I don't think the election was a surprise, but the rhetoric is getting pretty strong and they are getting very bold." he commented.

Speaking on the stage management of the election, and calling it a "huge distraction" from real issues, the Congressman outlined how both candidates were pre-positioned by the elite interests with the knowledge that either would satisfactorily serve their agenda:

"I think McCain was obviously a back up candidate in case something happened where Obama didn't win, they'd have been satisfied with McCain, but they have been positioning Obama for a long long time."

"This started even before he announced he was running. Anybody who would have gotten that much favorable coverage for so long, you know that the plans are laid for him to be the individual that's going to be taking care of the corporate elite." the Congressman continued.

Paul also warned that Democrats gains within the House and the Senate make for a particularly worrying situation of absolute power, similar to that held by the Republican party eight years ago.

"Just as a Republican Congress wouldn't say boo to a Republican Congress, you know that the Democratic Congress is NEVER going to stand up."

"I think it is very dangerous and the first year is going to be the most dangerous year." Paul stated. "Just think of Bush's first year, he also had the 9/11 thing that he could use to scare everybody to death. And Obama will use the financial crisis, which will get worse, and there will be more military skirmishes around the world." Paul asserted.

The Congressman also warned that many Republican representatives may go along with Obama just to win favor with the electorate and be seen to follow popular opinion.

Commenting on the much touted "International crisis" that luminaries such as Colin Powell, Joe Biden and Zbigniew Brzezinski have all guaranteed will occur within weeks of Obama entering the White House, the Congressman stated that he believes it may be a catalyst for a shift toward world government:

"I think it's going to be an announcement of a new monetary order, and they'll probably make it sound very limited, they're not going to say this is world government, even though it is if you control the world's money and you control the military, which they do indirectly."

"A world central bank, worldwide regulation and world control of the whole system, of all the commodities and all the natural resources, what else can you call it other than world government?"


"Obama wouldn't be there if he didn't toe the line, and when the meeting starts on November 15th for the new monetary system, this could be the beginning of the end of what's left of our national sovereignty." Paul said, also warning that the global media are already hailing Obama as the world's leader.

With Obama having previously announced that he will shift military attention to Pakistan, the Congressman also warned that the president elect will, thanks to the previous administration, have the necessary precedent to escalate the war on terror:

"It's the philosophy of the Bush doctrine, which was that we have the right to preemptively strike anybody and then he even expanded that recently by saying we don't have to invade and conquer, but we have the right to go in and bomb anybody without their permission, and that's why we go into Pakistan and Syria, which are acts of war.

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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing.

This is moving in the same direction the anti-B. Clinton black-helicopters hysteria did in the mid-1990s. Bring back N. Gingrich. Perhaps Hollywood might revive The X-Files, even. All we really need is another Waco to get things going...

Do you still see R. Paul as reliable and stable, Mises?
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seoulteacher



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Obama shifts towards New World Gov't Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Ron Paul Warns Of Great Shift Toward Global Government Under Obama


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khyber



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that "new world order" before. The CBC ran several pieces (on radio) about how a new economic world order would be discussed in Washington comin' up here.

And, I think we could all agree, wouldn't be THE worst thing in the world.

The conspiratorial elitist plots would HAVE to have been picked up by someone I suppose.
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BS.Dos.



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
all the commodities and all the natural resources

There's a lot in that article worthy of comment, but I'm drawn to the point of commodity control, which I find particularly relevant when considering the on-going lobbying by the big Biotech companies and their attempts to gain a monopolizing stranglehold of the global commodities markets by dominating international GM and GE intellectual property rights patents.

I think the authors ideas of commodity control are reinforced by the WTO's TRIPS agreement, a particularly iniquitous agreement being forced onto developing countries, which while initially promoted so as to stop software, movie, music and pharmaceutical piracy, is now being extended into the agricultural sector. Basically, the biotech companies create new strains of crop seeds that incorporate genetic engineering. For example, plants can be engineered so that the seeds the plants produce become sterile meaning the farmer has to purchase new seeds each year. You can imagine how lucrative this kind of lock-in is for the corporations that own the IP rights to such seeds etc. Things like this are usually only considered in isolation, but when you stop and consider them in concert with the wider scheme of things suggests evidence of a worrying under-current, especially when framed against some of those other points in that article, namely, a new monetary order et cetera. I think when considered holistically, we can perhaps begin to see evidence of a much broader picture emerging, one where these big global institutions are slowly beginning to converge.

This months edition of the Ecologist provided me with much of the insight into the GM material above.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"I think McCain was obviously a back up candidate in case something happened where Obama didn't win, they'd have been satisfied with McCain, but they have been positioning Obama for a long long time."


And 'they' are the aliens living in the underground caves in the deserts of New Mexico. No? Maybe the international Jewish bankers? No? Who then?
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yataboy, I think you belittle the ideas expressed above about empire building of companies, the expanding monopolization of resources, oligarchal control of resources and assets - etc.
You make it sound like people are dumb, believing in fairies (or aliens,) which is far rom the case.

One day in the future you might wake up and think, 'Mmm, I will plant some carrots in my backyard.' You'll realise that you can't find any seeds anywhere. You can buy some, there is one brand available. You read that this brand only has one harvest, and the seeds are genetic whereas you want some natural taste. You don't know anyone who has them. So, later one day you go to a small land far away, perhaps Outer Mongolia, and you find a local farmer does sell some to you. You bring them on the plane. At the airport they are confiscated from you. Reason? Only specific brand seeds are allowed. All GM seeds.
Who the Hell lobbied that you wonder?
Well, not the aliens, Mate.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yataboy, I think you belittle the ideas expressed above about empire building of companies, the expanding monopolization of resources, oligarchal control of resources and assets - etc.
You make it sound like people are dumb, believing in fairies (or aliens,) which is far rom the case.


I don't think so.

RP is asserting that there is a controlling (albeit invisible) group lurking behind the public faces of the candidates which controls the selection of candidates and then the election. This is the main problem with his ideas (except for his insane solutions).

I will grant you that industry is aggressive and 'sometimes' greedy. I would say that they are what they are. The public's only real protection is an active, transparent government that can balance and in the cases where it is necessary, take on business in order to protect the interests of the public.

I don't think 'most' people are dumb. Just maybe 1/3 of them. (Even that sounds like a big number.) Here we're getting into psychology, but yes, I do think a large number of us can be led by emotions.

You picked an unfortunate veggie since I don't like carrots that have been cooked, but I can forego that and work with your example. Certainly businesses are interested in profits. That is why they exist. Unless we return to a hunter-gatherer existence, we will have businesses to deal with.

I've always been a fan of James Madison. His solution to the situation has always appealed to me. Since you can't eliminate interests, you have to balance them against other interests. It's through an active government that the public interest can be represented in the board rooms of big businesses and the need for social responsibility be asserted.

Are you a gardener? I am. When I was home the last time I was surprised and pleased to find seed catalogs that offered dozens of companies that sell the old seeds, not GM seeds (at the moment, I can't remember the term). I will add that I am not opposed to the GM seeds.

I am not a Luddite and am highly suspicious of those who are. I think those who are Luddites want an impossible past that never existed in the past. Romantic clap-trap.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheonmunka wrote:
Yataboy, I think you belittle the ideas expressed above about empire building of companies, the expanding monopolization of resources, oligarchal control of resources and assets - etc.
You make it sound like people are dumb, believing in fairies (or aliens,) which is far rom the case.

Yes, he does.

RP said it was "elite interests" who chose and supported both candidates, something Yat has trouble distinguishing from aliens.

Yat, since you have so much trouble with this, I'll repeat it again. Those elite interests consist of the apparatus which peoples the cndidacies fo both parties and the corporations which fund them.

In 2004, the biggest contributor to Bush's campaign was the president of Citibank. For Kerry, it was the vice president of Citibank.

The whole system stinks and needs a radical revamping.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 1215 William the Marshall sent one son to support the nobility and he himself supported King John. This isn't rocket science. This isn't a conspiracy.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ron Paul movement was impressive.

Ron Paul the candidate is somewhat sad, to say the least.
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fiveeagles



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think a one world currency will happen right away. Obama will have to fix a lot of problems right away before he gain that kind of credibility.

If he instantly shifted towards a one world system, he would have an uprising on his hand.
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BS.Dos.



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some might say that the shift is going to happen regardless. The 'he' in this context is largely incidental. Obama, or whomever, will merely facilitate the stewardship for the transition.
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happeningthang



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Cheonmunka wrote:
Yataboy, I think you belittle the ideas expressed above about empire building of companies, the expanding monopolization of resources, oligarchal control of resources and assets - etc.
You make it sound like people are dumb, believing in fairies (or aliens,) which is far rom the case.

Yes, he does.

RP said it was "elite interests" who chose and supported both candidates, something Yat has trouble distinguishing from aliens.

Yat, since you have so much trouble with this, I'll repeat it again. Those elite interests consist of the apparatus which peoples the cndidacies fo both parties and the corporations which fund them.

In 2004, the biggest contributor to Bush's campaign was the president of Citibank. For Kerry, it was the vice president of Citibank.

The whole system stinks and needs a radical revamping.


The apparatus that peoples the candidacies are the respective political parties, aren't they? That's a pretty broad group.

As for campaign contributors haven't you heard of hedging your bets?
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Amazing.

This is moving in the same direction the anti-B. Clinton black-helicopters hysteria did in the mid-1990s. Bring back N. Gingrich. Perhaps Hollywood might revive The X-Files, even. All we really need is another Waco to get things going...

Do you still see R. Paul as reliable and stable, Mises?


Yep. I suspect the 9/11 troofers will slap on the armbands worn by the one world government types. Alex Jones has a whole collection of pre-9/11 dvds to sell 'em.
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