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GEPIK: How to switch public school for new one in same town?

 
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Korussian



Joined: 15 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: GEPIK: How to switch public school for new one in same town? Reply with quote

ttompatz commented previously on the requirements if a teacher on a GEPIK contract wants to work at two different public schools within the same area, but what happens if you want to cancel at the original school?

If I understood his previous comments correctly, although both employers must agree and there is some formal paperwork involved between them, immigration's involvement is minimal, and no new VISA documentation needs to be gathered (crc, diploma, transcripts, etc).

My question: what happens if a GEPIK-contracted teacher at a private high school wants to transfer fully to a different public school (middle or high) in the same town? Is this do-able without going through the full Letter of Transfer/Release process?

What are the steps that result in the least amount of hassle for everybody, assuming that the administration at the former school is amenable to the switch?


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BrianInSuwon



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an interesting question. I wish someone that has gone through transferring schools within the GEPIK program would comment on this. I've seen the section of the contract and have always kept that in the back of my mind. You could start by asking a GEPIK representative:

Miss Wenise Kim - for Elementary Schools
[email protected]

Miss Dain Bae - for Middle or High Schools
[email protected]
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jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After the 9 month mark, all I needed was a LOR. I had to get all the other stuff because I came here last year and the CRC rules weren't in place then. I didn't have to leave the country to get a GEPIK job.

I would assume going from a GEPIK school to another would be easier, with all parties in favor of the change. Why not go to immigration and just ask them?
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Korussian



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jadarite wrote:
After the 9 month mark, all I needed was a LOR. I had to get all the other stuff because I came here last year and the CRC rules weren't in place then. I didn't have to leave the country to get a GEPIK job.

I would assume going from a GEPIK school to another would be easier, with all parties in favor of the change. Why not go to immigration and just ask them?


Thank you for your responses. I'm hesitant to go to immigration because I haven't had the best luck with Korean public service workers.

For example, the person who answered the phone at the Labour Board I called from Seoul refused to help me nor to give me anything but his family name. When I asked him why he was refusing to tell me his name or an employee reference number instead, he said over and over "because you don't need it", and then he actually hung up on me. *note: the labour board call was for an unrelated matter that has since been settled
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is pure speculation on my part (and I'm with EPIK not GEPIK); however, my ARC has my school name and address on it. Therefore, I believe that to 'officially' change schools, I would have to have letters from both schools and involve Immigration.

That being said, there's a weird 'grey area' whereby PS teachers can teach at any school/training institute within the juristiction of the employer - in my case the Superintendent of the POE.

Perhaps the resident expert - ttompatz - can answer this one?
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Korussian



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
This is pure speculation on my part (and I'm with EPIK not GEPIK); however, my ARC has my school name and address on it. Therefore, I believe that to 'officially' change schools, I would have to have letters from both schools and involve Immigration.

That being said, there's a weird 'grey area' whereby PS teachers can teach at any school/training institute within the juristiction of the employer - in my case the Superintendent of the POE.

Perhaps the resident expert - ttompatz - can answer this one?


Thanks for your thoughts. You bring up a good point about the ARC, but, unless I'm mistaken, I don't see my employer's name here on my card. I see my address, and the info for the particular immigration office where I got it. I could easily be overlooking it though.

Also, I hope very much that ttompatz will join the discussion!
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My employer is not on the the ARC.

However, the place of employment is - my school name (in Hangul) is immediately after the address on the front, lower left.
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Korussian



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
My employer is not on the the ARC.

However, the place of employment is - my school name (in Hangul) is immediately after the address on the front, lower left.


It's weird, but mine isn't there. I see my address, and then empty space.

I can read Hangul, but I'm just not seeing it Confused

Maybe not all immigration offices follow the same standard?
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you write "my addess" do you mean your residence, or the school?

I know there's a slim possibility they're the same - I used to work in a very rural area where the high school school had a faculty apartment building on campus.
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Korussian



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
When you write "my addess" do you mean your residence, or the school?

I know there's a slim possibility they're the same - I used to work in a very rural area where the high school school had a faculty apartment building on campus.


The address is that of my apartment, rather than that of the high school. It includes my building and my actual apartment number.
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok... this just gets weirder.

If only your residence is listed on your ARC, how could you 'add' a place of employment if you wanted to work two jobs?... (unless you work from home). Rolling Eyes

If Immi. doesn't know where you work (which I find difficult to believe), it seems to me you could just switch schools (with the principals' permission) and no one would be the wiser. Cool
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Perceptioncheck



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if it's the same, but my employer is EPIK and I personally know of someone who transferred schools mid-contract (but not in the middle of semesters).

He requested the change through the local Education Office. I'm not sure whether he went through his co-teacher or he contacted the office directly, but the transfer was pretty hassle-free and he didn't have to inform immigration because the local education office - and not the school - was his employer as per his contract.

Don't know if that helps or what the deal is with the ARC. Why don't you just ring your Wenise or Dain Bae; there's no harm in asking.
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Korussian



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perceptioncheck wrote:
I don't know if it's the same, but my employer is EPIK and I personally know of someone who transferred schools mid-contract (but not in the middle of semesters).

He requested the change through the local Education Office. I'm not sure whether he went through his co-teacher or he contacted the office directly, but the transfer was pretty hassle-free and he didn't have to inform immigration because the local education office - and not the school - was his employer as per his contract.

Don't know if that helps or what the deal is with the ARC. Why don't you just ring your Wenise or Dain Bae; there's no harm in asking.


Yes, that certainly does help, because it implies that there is no intrinsic immigration rule against switching over to another public school mid-contract.

Of course, it might be different with GEPIK or it might be that the immigration officers in your friend's case just didn't bother to offer up any hassle, but nevertheless it does give me hope that my situation could be resolved as easily, should it come to that.

For now, I am just trying to make myself aware of the options and the possible levels of escalation if the problems aren't resolvable more quietly. I respect our principal a lot, and don't want to involve GEPIK at all before he has had a chance to give my issues his direct attention. It even took a lot of internal debate before I posted this question publicly on these forums. At the same time, it's important to know what my options are if things don't work out.

If switching schools mid-contract is fairly easy and straightforward, then that's certainly something to keep in my back pocket. If it's a huge bag of trouble, then putting up with the problems at school might turn out to be preferable. I just want to know what might be in store for me.
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sojusucks



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to transfer, both schools must agree and you should get a letter of release which is required by immigration (in order to continue on the same visa).

You could resign and have your school cancel your visa. That would involve going through the visa process again and is usually a last resort. But it IS an option if the school refuses to allow you to transfer.
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