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itaewonguy
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 Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: The Atheist who stole christmas! |
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An Atheist doesn�t celebrate Christmas for their kids...
They just give presents, but don�t celebrate the fantasy of it and don't let kids believe in Santa!!
Wow fun growing up in an Atheists household...: roll:
As soon as a child can speak the Atheist will tell their children there is no Father Christmas!! No Easter bunny, tooth fairy and GOD!!
Welcome to life kids...
The atheists will say, well at least I am not abusing my children with lies!!
So my question is this...
IS this the right way?? Should we all stop celebrating Xmas?? To keep the Atheist happy??
I mean this is what they want right; they want the world rid of childish fantasies! Christmas carols etc., ALL GONE!
We should not celebrate Easter with the Easter bunny, because it�s just stupid fantasy! Ohh I know lets tell the children first that there is no Easter bunny and then play the games!! WOW FUN!!
We should not leave 50cents under our children�s pillow and let me believe it was the tooth fairy!! Because that�s child abuse!!
WOW I thank my mum, even though she was Agnostic, she kept the fantasy alive for my kindy years!!
Man feel sorry for the kids who have Atheists for parents! |
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Binch Lover
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you implying that Christianity is pure fantasy?
I grew up in an Atheist household, but we celebrated Christmas and Easter as cultural celebrations, not religious. A mid-winter festival far predates Christianity as we all know, but that's not gonna stop us having a celebration. And since Santa is the dominant mythical mid-winter symbol, then bring on the presents and food!
My family recognized the difference between dangerous brainwashing and harmless childhood fantasies, however. Once we were old enough to realize it was not true, they didn't force us to go worship in the church of Santa Claus for the rest of our lives using the terrible pressure of guilt. Christians, on the other hand, are unable to tell the difference between myth and reality. |
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itaewonguy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| Binch Lover wrote: |
I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you implying that Christianity is pure fantasy?
I grew up in an Atheist household, but we celebrated Christmas and Easter as cultural celebrations, not religious. A mid-winter festival far predates Christianity as we all know, but that's not gonna stop us having a celebration. And since Santa is the dominant mythical mid-winter symbol, then bring on the presents and food!
My family recognized the difference between dangerous brainwashing and harmless childhood fantasies, however. Once we were old enough to realize it was not true, they didn't force us to go worship in the church of Santa Claus for the rest of our lives using the terrible pressure of guilt. Christians, on the other hand, are unable to tell the difference between myth and reality. |
what I am saying is, Athiests shouldnt tell their children or mislead their children in believing in SANTA becuase it goes against everything they stand for...
they should be jewish and not celebrate xmas!
and how did you celebrate? did your presents say FROM SANTA? |
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ChopChaeJoe
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| I'm almost 40 and I still believe in Santa Clause (I get presents from him every year). It really has nothing to do with religion. |
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Binch Lover
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
what I am saying is, Athiests shouldnt tell their children or mislead their children in believing in SANTA becuase it goes against everything they stand for...
they should be jewish and not celebrate xmas!
and how did you celebrate? did your presents say FROM SANTA? |
I think most intelligent people can tell the difference between a harmless white lie and adult delusion. My presents did (and still do actually) say "From Santa", but that doesn't mean that my parents continued the lie after I was old enough to realize that Santa isn't real. It's just a bit of fun in the family.
The sad thing is that people like yourself have obviously never really questioned the existence of god as you have the existence of Santa Claus. Santa is actually more realistic in my mind than the omnipotent god described in the Bible. At least nobody kills in the name of Santa! |
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ChopChaeJoe
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| Calling off a belief in Santa is just like flipping a light switch. Here one minute, gone the next. Questioning and abandoning a certain belief in god, or a belief in a certain god, as the case may be, is an incredibly lonely and even painful jouney, especially if the belief was strong (at one time) and held for a long time. It's the real end of childhood. |
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Justin Hale
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to boast, but I was raised by very wealthy, professional-class atheists. Every day was Christmas.
Christmas is essentially an excuse for poor-ass trash to drink far too much and forget about their miserable, scabrous little lives.
That said, we always celebrated Christmas, for the extremely fucking simple reason that Christmas has become totally secularized. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| I dunno there is a certain appeal to telling your kids there's a fat guy breaking into the house. You could also consider it a life lesson on how people lie to make you behave or feel good. And that maybe there's bigger BS out there. I'm going to tell my kids Barrack Hussein Obama left them the presents then rode away on his two donkeys 'Hope' and 'Change'. |
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RACETRAITOR
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Christmas is a great family holiday, regardless of religion.
I've always said that the Christian trinity isn't really as optimal as it could be. They should really consider adding Santa Claus, and maybe dropping the Holy Spirit (seriously, what the hell does that thing even do?). That would really beef up the trinity: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Gift-Giver.
Either that, or add a chick with sex appeal. Not Mary, maybe Mary Magdalene, or Lot's horny daughters, or Scarlett Johansson. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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race and justin, you havent answered my question...
if you had a 2 year old son or 4 year old daughter would you keep the fantasy alive and leave cookies and milk out for him and let your daughter write a note to santa? or you tell them the truth to ruin the fun?
and B! while I have your attention..
do you tell your dying 7 year old son, when he asks you am I going to heaven? do you tell him no or do you tell him yes? |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
if you had a 2 year old son or 4 year old daughter would you keep the fantasy alive and leave cookies and milk out for him and let your daughter write a note to santa? or you tell them the truth to ruin the fun?
and B! while I have your attention..
do you tell your dying 7 year old son, when he asks you am I going to heaven? do you tell him no or do you tell him yes? |
By asking this question...aren't you subconsciously admitting that religion is simply a comfortable lie we tell to vulnerable children to make them feel better? |
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RACETRAITOR
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
race and justin, you havent answered my question...
if you had a 2 year old son or 4 year old daughter would you keep the fantasy alive and leave cookies and milk out for him and let your daughter write a note to santa? or you tell them the truth to ruin the fun?
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Hell yeah I'd do it. In fact I could probably do it better than most people. But this is such a strawman argument, comparing belief in Santa to religious belief, that you're obviously not writing this post in seriousness, and almost definitely not a Christian. |
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Juregen
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
what I am saying is, Athiests shouldnt tell their children or mislead their children in believing in SANTA becuase it goes against everything they stand for...
they should be jewish and not celebrate xmas!
and how did you celebrate? did your presents say FROM SANTA? |
My dear!
I am an Atheist, but was raised as a Christian.
I do believe that the celebration around X-mas time has more roots then just christianity.
Santa is an imagination of Coca Cola and has nothing to do with Christianity. It actually goes back to the figure of "Sinterklaas", which is still celebrated in Europe (yes, he was a saint).
The candles on the pine tree represent that sacrifice of life to heathen gods or the Sun to bring back the Sun.
Try to be a little bit more critical on what X-mas actually means, and then you will see that an Atheist is not wholly opposed to the idea of celebrating the return of the Sun. |
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itaewonguy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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JEsus.. when have I ever said I was a christian!! ???
I was just wondering what you guys would say to your children..
nothing to do with the god argument..
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| By asking this question...aren't you subconsciously admitting that religion is simply a comfortable lie we tell to vulnerable children to make them feel better? |
yes! so I was just asking a question when is it ok to tell children a lie of this magnitude?
only when they are dying? or as long as it takes for them tomake up their own minds, like believing in SANTA or the tooth fairy finally they figure it out..
so is there an urgency to tell them the truth??
more information on this question can be found in the Atheist vs religion thread about the dying boy... |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
what I am saying is, Athiests shouldnt tell their children or mislead their children in believing in SANTA becuase it goes against everything they stand for...
they should be jewish and not celebrate xmas!
and how did you celebrate? did your presents say FROM SANTA? |
My dear!
I am an Atheist, but was raised as a Christian.
I do believe that the celebration around X-mas time has more roots then just christianity.
Santa is an imagination of Coca Cola and has nothing to do with Christianity. It actually goes back to the figure of "Sinterklaas", which is still celebrated in Europe (yes, he was a saint).
The candles on the pine tree represent that sacrifice of life to heathen gods or the Sun to bring back the Sun.
Try to be a little bit more critical on what X-mas actually means, and then you will see that an Atheist is not wholly opposed to the idea of celebrating the return of the Sun. |
nice .. but you didnt answer my question...
should atheists celebrate xmas as in writing a letter to santa and leaving milk and cookies for him? singing carols, and believing a big fat jolly man leaves gifts to kids who are nice and not naughty!
should atheist parents role play this belief for their children as young as 1-8 years old?? doesnt it conflict with their morals?
thats the question... please answer it.. |
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