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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: American cars are S***! Reply with quote

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2008/11/123_34389.html

I'm no fan of American cars and think some of what was written in the article is true, but seriously, Koreans are saying American cars are shite? This is their excuse for the large gap between Korean cars being exported to the US and American cars being imported?

Seems like a farse to me. There are so many cool American cars compared to Korean ones....mmmm Mustang?!

On top of that the article states that American cars are too big for the Korean market. Hmmm, while some of the American models are too big for Korea, why exactly are so many Korean driving around in mini van and SUV knock offs made by Kia and Hyundai? Vehicles that were practically invented by the Ameicna market.

protectionist Korea.....is a joke sometimes.
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bobranger



Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let the spin begin.
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: American cars are S***! Reply with quote

earthbound14 wrote:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2008/11/123_34389.html

I'm no fan of American cars and think some of what was written in the article is true, but seriously, Koreans are saying American cars are shite? This is their excuse for the large gap between Korean cars being exported to the US and American cars being imported?

Seems like a farse to me. There are so many cool American cars compared to Korean ones....mmmm Mustang?!

On top of that the article states that American cars are too big for the Korean market. Hmmm, while some of the American models are too big for Korea, why exactly are so many Korean driving around in mini van and SUV knock offs made by Kia and Hyundai? Vehicles that were practically invented by the Ameicna market.

protectionist Korea.....is a joke sometimes.


My old boss looked at US car exports to Europe and South Korea and found them on about par (less than 3% if I recall). I am afraid that on this one KT may have a point.

The US auto industry has ignored innovation for too long. My god when I first saw a Chrysler PT cruiser it had rear drum brakes even my student 1980 Volvo had discs all around. You mention the Mustang but roads outside of the USA actually have corners to negotiate.

In the 1980's US automakers said there was no market for small cars in the US but Honda, and Hyundai have been very successful selling small cars to American buyers.

Now I am an Aussie and 2 of Australia's 3 remaining automakers are American, but that doesn't mean they can sell US cars in Oz. Both Ford and Holden (GM) have to produce special vehicles for the Ozzie market (yes there is the RHD issue) but also Australians want safety equipment and a firm ride and put this ahead of having SATNAV. The sad thing is that Americans love Australian cars, look at the sales of the Pontiac G8 (Holden Commodore) in the US. Yes alright the Pontiac GTO (Holden Monaro) didn't sell well, but it had impossibly large shoes to fill.

I hope the US auto industry survives and thrives but they need to bring passion back to their product. Hell I would drive a former Taxi Australian Ford Falcon over a NEW Ford Crown Victoria any day of the week. US automakers need to stop aiming to supply vehicles that are built to a price and start building vehicles that excite passion in buyers. Korea has the cheap price sewn up (although Hyundai autoworkers are not what I would call lowly paid). Leave the bottom of the market to Korea and next Indonesia and China. Instead build cars that make people go wow! Can I trade my partner in for that car (if the credit crisis continues).
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ChinaBoy



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: American cars are S***! Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:

The US auto industry has ignored innovation for too long. My god when I first saw a Chrysler PT cruiser it had rear drum brakes even my student 1980 Volvo had discs all around.


I have never, ever, heard anyone mentioning the type of brakes when deciding to buy a car. Mind you, I'm not "Top Gear" viewer, just an average consumer.
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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kid you not, there's a guy in our town; population around 25,000, who's just bought a brand new Hummer. God knows what he must have paid for it. It's humongous. I've never seen it being driven. It's always parked underneath the awning of his shop. I doubt he's got any cash left to fill it. I've seen a couple of beamers, couple of Mercs and the odd Peugeot and that's about it. Ohh, and a Mini Cooper S.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I understand, American car line-ups do not feature many small to mid sized cars.

I personally would prefer to drive (a more familiar) American car here, but I doubt I'd be able to get it into half of the parking spaces.
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigfella,

The Mustang may not be the best handling car on the market, but let's compare it to the only Korean alternative - the Tuscani? Hmmmmm


Korean cars are pretty good little cars, but the argument that American cars are shite and the Korean market won't buy them is silly. With the FTA, American cars should be more affordable and would be able to compete easily with Korean ones. Minivans, smaller SUVs, sports cars, and small trucks (Korean love those Musso pieces of junk) are all vehicles that Koreans buy and ones that the American market would be able to export here. The American automotive industry, while being out of date and ugly, still has a lot to offer the Korean people who are stuck with only Korean cars and over priced imports. Under an FTA it might give the American auto industry a leg up on the competition. So I can see why it would be an issue for the Americans and the arguments against it in this article are....well, stupid
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John_ESL_White



Joined: 12 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

American cars are cheap and, let's face it, Korean cars are cheap.

In the US, only the poor or credit challenged buy Korean cars. In Korea though, only the rich buy American cars. Seems a little weird.

Korea should open up and let their poor buy our cheap American garbage just.

I mean, in the states, you can buy a small Ford or Chevy for $12,000! And, it's got the safety features that Korean cars just don't pack into their economy models (like passenger airbags).

Everytime I've seen a Ford, Chrysler, or Pontiac in Korea, I can't help but laugh at the poor fool who probably paid 2 times the actual value. In the states, the dealer will come as much as 20% off the sticker on a US car. Here, they're paying sticker plus! Insanity.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say open up Korea's car market. It may help sell one or two more American cars, but it won't make an impact IMHO. Although I could possibly see a niche market for pick-ups in some of the rural areas (via GM's Daewoo subsidiary), if they can make some smaller trucks.

What the American car companies should do is really really focus their strategy back home and make cars that can compete against the Japanese.
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gazz



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top Gear season 12 episode 2 gives a good balanced account of the top American cars at the mo.

It is a great episode to watch and they end up saying that the most recent American cars are cool (top spec)!

Saying that i wouldnt want to run any of them in the UK considering UK fuel prices!!!
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John_ESL_White wrote:

In the US, only the poor or credit challenged buy Korean cars. In Korea though, only the rich buy American cars. Seems a little weird.


There is some girl's mother who drives a Chrysler Intrepid in my neck of the woods. Not sure why, I doubt she is super rich. My guess is she got it off the 2nd hand lot, or off one of the US bases. I hope to ask her one day why she is driving around in a Chrysler.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only american vehicle I'd ever own would be a pickup truck Laughing

after that - it's Toyota or Suburu -

I rented a wonderful little Renault in S. Africa and when I looked it up on the web it turns out that particular model isn't sold in america!! but it was so much fun to drive!! I couldn't believe it - and when I first arrived over here I couldn't believe the little bitty trucks and vans - they are so cute!! and the matiz!!

nah, American vehicles mostly suck like lemons - but they do have one thing K cars can't hold a candle to - COLOR ha ha - it certainly would add a bit of pizazz to the roads here to see something besides white gray and black, huh?? Laughing Laughing
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sojourner1



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mechanical engineering designs of American cars in the past 20 years are not as good as Asian and European. America is still innovating, but thew newer designs are poor quality. This means more breakdowns, higher maintenance, and higher fuel consumption. Poor Americans love Asians cars, because it makes economical sense to drive one. You go farther for less with fewer breakdowns and breakdowns are what paycheck to paycheck folks can't afford to have happen.

I've felt a real good bet for Ford and GM is to produce new cars on old designs. This simple and stupid strategy would be a hands down winner as American cars sure were beauties back in the day. There is a market if they are genuinely made just like 30 to 80 years ago. Many older guys with money would go ga ga over this and even younger people would like a solid high quality show off car. They were really cool cars and still are such as a '57 Chevy and Ford Zephyr. When I look at classics, it makes me wish I lived 40 to 60 years ago in America. America was hopping and solid careers were being built on high quality, but heavy duty machinery. This is what made America amass untold quantities of wealth.

Most well to do Americans, like some Koreans, prefer BMW, Audi, Jaguar, and Mercedes, because they are high performance, higher quality, and stylish.

I'll admit it, my costly setbacks with American cars such as Ford Tempo limits me to buying foreign from now on. For many Americans, this can mean getting to a job or going homeless should the car fail. It's a fragile risky position to be in. It used to make sense to buy American when they were sturdy, gas was almost free, and designed for budget concious self mechanics to take care of. They had lots of room under the hood and every part and wire was easily accessible. Even the fuel pump, but they stopped making real cas back in the early 80's.
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Illysook



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew people back home who worked at the Honda plant in Marysville, Ohio. Toyota has a plant in Lexington, Kentucky. GM has plants in Mexico and some other places now. This makes the definition of "American" car rather murky and has me wondering just how much "protectionism" can really help anyone's economy.
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
The mechanical engineering designs of American cars in the past 20 years are not as good as Asian and European. America is still innovating, but thew newer designs are poor quality.


That's not what I've recently heard. They are comparable in quality to the Japanese judging by reports, but they are in a fucking hole due to previous years of completely ignoring market trends.

Another whole issue is the sticker price. You have about $1,500 in health insurance costs for the workers added in on each vehicle. This is a huge disadvantage for the Big Three. If America finally got it's act together and adopted national health insurance its manufacturing base would be much more globally competitive.
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