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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:01 pm    Post subject: Being told to shut up on public transport Reply with quote

After a day out playing football (soccer) with my team in Daejon, we returned to Seoul on a 10 15 train. 4 of us sat facing each other, drinking a few beers, talking quietly, except for the occaisional outburst of laughter, which was by no means raucous. 10 minutes or so into the trip, a Korean man in his 30s leaned over the seat and said "be quiet! this is OUR PLACE". By "our place", I take it he meant "this is our country". I promtly told him of our status as residents, and requested if he didnt like it, he could attempt sexual congress with himself. What is particularly galling about this incident, is that I like opposite 3 pubs/restaurants, and the good citizens of "our place" cannot find it in themselves to cease singing/violently puking/beating their girlfriends/screaming/fighting beneath my window during the hours of 3-5 am when I am usually trying to get some rest. Another case of one rule for the natives and another for whitey I guess. Anyhow, does anyone have similar experience of being told to shut up on public transport? I have been told by friends that they know of several instances of this happening. I'm interested to hear your stories.

Cheers

Jaga
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been told that I was too loud and asked to be quiet a few times on buses, but usually the person wouldn't dare say it to me, they'd mention it to a gyopo friend or something.

There was never a sense of racism either, though again, the complaints came second hand.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been with people who were told to be quiet on the subway a couple of times, one guy saw us talking on the platform, walked down from where he was in order to get onto our train then waited till we got going and started telling us to shut up. The girls I was with were pretty loud though.
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lush72



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: I am Penalty Kick!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In before Homer apologizes!
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SarcasmKills



Joined: 07 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny.. I had the same thing happen to me on my way back from playing soccer in Cheongju last weekend...

I was just talking with an American guy I met on the bus when some old man started yelling "shut up!" and "speak korean" at us along with some other Korean babble.. after a brief pause of shock, we both started laughing out loud... we weren't the noisest people on the bus by far, yet our English must've just been giving him a headache..

I do think the guy had a few drinks in him.. but regardless, we kept on talking while ignoring him.. he eventually shut his trap and passed out
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll fill in for Homer (who's getting an unfair rap here lately) - These people who are complaining about all the English are obnoxious idiots, and every culture has its share of those. I doubt Korea held an election and chose these guys to represent the nation to telling English speakers to shut up.

I've experienced this a few times over the years, but only a few. There are two choices - shrug them off as random drunk God-complexed idiots and not at all representative of the local population, or take them as evidence that Koreans hate foreigners, must be speaking out loud what many more Koreans are thinking.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lemon wrote:
I'll fill in for Homer (who's getting an unfair rap here lately) - These people who are complaining about all the English are obnoxious idiots, and every culture has its share of those. I doubt Korea held an election and chose these guys to represent the nation to telling English speakers to shut up.

I've experienced this a few times over the years, but only a few. There are two choices - shrug them off as random drunk God-complexed idiots and not at all representative of the local population, or take them as evidence that Koreans hate foreigners, must be speaking out loud what many more Koreans are thinking.


I think there is a 3rd choice...tell the Korean to STFU and go Rapier on him!

Hmm wonder where all those posters are...you know the ones who love to kick Korean ass.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
I think there is a 3rd choice...tell the Korean to STFU and go Rapier on him!

Yes, there's that, too. Wink
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SarcasmKills wrote:
...old man started yelling "shut up!" and "speak korean" at us along with some other Korean babble.. after a brief pause of shock, we both started laughing out loud...



Laughter is the best response. Twisted Evil

And it's a joy Very Happy to see the look on their faces when they realize they've opened the door to their own embarrassement. Embarassed
Slink away, little man, slink away.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It usually isn't the volume that is the problem when the local want to controll you, it is his problem with hearing a language that isn't his own. For being loud, Koreans can be damn loud in coffee shops, pc bongs, anywhere... only we seem to take it as apart of Koreans being earthy, and so loud and so forgiven... but it is all bull, Koreans are loud and it bothers me sometimes....
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SarcasmKills wrote:
Funny.. I had the same thing happen to me on my way back from playing soccer in Cheongju last weekend...


Do you play for St Pats? I just wanted to mention this because it isn't the first time it has happened. There was a time when I took this sort of ignorance in my stride, but now I am determined to meet it head on. If I did something like this in my country, I would be denounced, or at worst, in front of a court.

Cheers

Jaga
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not an apoligist at all as I got told the this is my country speak the language story so i just fire back at them in Korean please don't ever come to my country, you are not welcome line.

However...as Lemon said most of these guys are jackasses who are pretty insecure because they can't understand what is being said. I lived in a pretty multicultural city when i grew up with many different languages so when getting on the train with a bunch of loud foreigners(usually Thai or Chinese) they were the centre of attention due to their language.

Everybody focuses in(subconciously or not) because it is different so if I guy feels like being a tosspot he will be due to this.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not so sure it's not ONLY the language issue. Volume does play a part in some of these exchanges. I've been around Western friends and colleagues who speak *seriously* loudly, by personality or by virtue of where they come from, and it's freaked me out, and I'm English.

One of the few times I experienced the blustery-Korean-man-"shut-up-foreigner" thing was on a bus with a friend from New York a few years ago. The old man was rude and intolerant, but then again, my buddy was WICKED loud.
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rudyflyer



Joined: 26 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its happened to me (us) a few times before. The most ridiculous one came as as a bunch of us were taking the subway from Itaewon to the World Cup Stadium for the opening match at around 6P. There were about 10 of us from all over the world singing dancing cheering et all psyched for the match. These old guys were contantly telling us to sit down and be quiet. We of course ignored them then told then to stfu

This happened many times during the world cup when going to games...and it still happens

talk about insensitive Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rudyflyer wrote:
Its happened to me (us) a few times before. The most ridiculous one came as as a bunch of us were taking the subway from Itaewon to the World Cup Stadium for the opening match at around 6P. There were about 10 of us from all over the world singing dancing cheering et all psyched for the match. These old guys were contantly telling us to sit down and be quiet. We of course ignored them then told then to stfu

This happened many times during the world cup when going to games...and it still happens

talk about insensitive Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


And the press wonders why tourist numbers continue to decline. This place can be about as welcoming as Kabul on a wet friday sometimes.

Cheers

Jaga
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