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Alyssa



Joined: 15 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: DOOOMESDAY IS COMING!??? Reply with quote

I had a friend send me this today, she is korean and in a panic. This is from Moodys, done in a korean paper. Is korea in the state of panic, or are they trying to ignore it, as usual? Rolling Eyes




http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2008/11/123_34428.html

Moody�s: Economy to Grow 2% in 2009

By Yoon Ja-young
Staff Reporter

Korea's economic growth will fall to around 2 percent next year amid a slowdown of exports and the domestic economy losing steam, a sovereign analyst at Moody's said Thursday, adding he sees no source of growth.

``Korea's economic growth rate is mostly driven by trade. Exports will suffer from the global trade slowdown in the United States, Europe and Japan, and even China,'' said Thomas Byrne, senior vice president and regional credit officer for Asia & the Middle East at Moody's.

``I don't see any source of growth in the Korean economy except for the fiscal stimulus,'' he said, pointing out that with exports making little contribution to the economy next year, there seems no domestic sector good enough to sustain the economy. ``The chaebol sector, perhaps they could pick up, but chaebol haven't been investing much. They are not going to be recruiting more people either,'' he said.

He estimated the economy to grow around 2 percent in 2009, far lower than the Korea Development Institute's (KDI) 3.3 percent projection.

Moody's, however, doesn't have immediate plans to downgrade its outlook on the sovereign rating of Korea, Byrne said, citing ample foreign exchange reserves and the fiscal soundness of the government. Moody's holds an A2 rating with a stable outlook on Korea. The country, however, was shocked when Fitch Ratings, another rating agency, lowered its outlook from stable to negative earlier this week.

``Every country will have a downturn. The severity will be determined by to what extent the banks are exposed to the global financial system,'' he said, adding ``Countries that are very open, and have external trade for a large share of GDP will be exposed.''

``We won't have any across-the-board downgrades. We won't downgrade every country in a certain region. Instead we will take a case-by-case approach,'' Byrne said, adding that Asian countries, which went through similar troubles in 1997, have prepared themselves better for the crisis in general, mainly through the accumulation of currency reserves.

``Korea, going into 2008, had an adequate level of foreign exchange reserves even though short-term debt is rising. The budget is in good shape as is government finance.''

However, he said that Korean banks' high loan to deposit (LTD) ratio introduces vulnerability.

Regarding the recently rising tension with North Korea, he said the latest threat by the North wouldn't affect the ratings. ``This latest threat by North Korea sounds very bizarre to me. It will hurt North Korea more than anything else,'' he said, pointing out that North Korea earns foreign exchange through the Gaeseong Industrial Complex and tour programs to Mt. Kumgang.

He said Korea's strong alliance with the United States and cooperation between regional powers such as the United States and China will help deter military action on the peninsula. Even if North Korean leader Kim Jong-il dies, he expects there are contingency plans to restore stability.
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Jeff's Cigarettes



Joined: 27 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it ain't written in the bible, it ain't the truth. Predictions are like buttholes...everyone has one.
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seosan08



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2009 is going to be a bad year for EVERYONE!
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jkelly80



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Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 percent annual GDP growth is a catastrophe? The US had that for a couple of years too, before this whole housing fiasco. Nothing to freak out about.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seosan08 wrote:
2009 is going to be a bad year for EVERYONE!


Your wage won�t change!
Next year will be as any other year...
Bars will still be serving beer, and restaurants will still be serving food,
You get paid the same amount of money in won as you did last year...
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crescent



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^
Wages won't change, but bankruptcies and salary non-paymnent/cheating will increase if the economy gets worse.
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Alyssa



Joined: 15 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jkelly80 wrote:
2 percent annual GDP growth is a catastrophe? The US had that for a couple of years too, before this whole housing fiasco. Nothing to freak out about.





That is like comparing a lizard to an alligator! Rolling Eyes

Korea is all about exports, the U.S has things such as LAND to grow things, a huge SERVICE industry, etc..etc...

Economy - overview:
The US has the largest and most technologically powerful economy in the world, with a per capita GDP of $45,700. In this market-oriented economy, private individuals and business firms make most of the decisions, and the federal and state governments buy needed goods and services predominantly in the private marketplace. US business firms enjoy greater flexibility than their counterparts in Western Europe and Japan in decisions to expand capital plant, to lay off surplus workers, and to develop new products. At the same time, they face higher barriers to enter their rivals' home markets than foreign firms face entering US markets. US firms are at or near the forefront in technological advances, especially in computers and in medical, aerospace, and military equipment; their advantage has narrowed since the end of World War II. The onrush of technology largely explains the gradual development of a "two-tier labor market" in which those at the bottom lack the education and the professional/technical skills of those at the top and, more and more, fail to get comparable pay raises, health insurance coverage, and other benefits. Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households. The response to the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001 showed the remarkable resilience of the economy. The war in March-April 2003 between a US-led coalition and Iraq, and the subsequent occupation of Iraq, required major shifts in national resources to the military. The rise in GDP in 2004-07 was undergirded by substantial gains in labor productivity. Hurricane Katrina caused extensive damage in the Gulf Coast region in August 2005, but had a small impact on overall GDP growth for the year. Soaring oil prices in 2005-2007 threatened inflation and unemployment, yet the economy continued to grow through year-end 2007. Imported oil accounts for about two-thirds of US consumption. Long-term problems include inadequate investment in economic infrastructure, rapidly rising medical and pension costs of an aging population, sizable trade and budget deficits, and stagnation of family income in the lower economic groups. The merchandise trade deficit reached a record $847 billion in 2007. Together, these problems caused a marked reduction in the value and status of the dollar worldwide in 2007.

GDP (purchasing power parity):
$13.86 trillion (2007 est.)

GDP (official exchange rate):
$13.75 trillion (2007 est.)

GDP - real growth rate:
2% (2007 est.)

GDP - per capita (PPP):
$46,000 (2007 est.)

GDP - composition by sector:
agriculture: 0.9%
industry: 20.6%
services: 78.5% (2007 est.)

Labor force:
153.1 million (includes unemployed) (2007 est.)

Labor force - by occupation:
farming, forestry, and fishing 0.6%, manufacturing, extraction, transportation, and crafts 22.6%, managerial, professional, and technical 35.5%, sales and office 24.8%, other services 16.5%
note: figures exclude the unemployed (2006)

Unemployment rate:
4.6% (2007 est.)

Population below poverty line:
12% (2004 est.)

Household income or consumption by percentage share:
lowest 10%: 2%
highest 10%: 30% (2007 est.)

Distribution of Family Income - Gini index:
45 (2007)

Inflation rate (consumer prices):
2.7% (2007 est.)

Investment (gross fixed):
15.6% of GDP (2007 est.)

Budget:
revenues: $2.568 trillion
expenditures: $2.731 trillion (2007 est.)

Public debt:
36.8% of GDP (2007 est.)

Agriculture - products:
wheat, corn, other grains, fruits, vegetables, cotton; beef, pork, poultry, dairy products; fish; forest products

Industries:
leading industrial power in the world, highly diversified and technologically advanced; petroleum, steel, motor vehicles, aerospace, telecommunications, chemicals, electronics, food processing, consumer goods, lumber, mining

Industrial production growth rate:
0.5% (2007 est.)

Electricity - production:
4.062 trillion kWh (2005)

Electricity - consumption:
3.816 trillion kWh (2005)

Electricity - exports:
19.8 billion kWh (2005)

Electricity - imports:
44.53 billion kWh (2005)

Oil - production:
8.322 million bbl/day (2005 est.)

Oil - consumption:
20.8 million bbl/day (2005 est.)

Oil - exports:
1.048 million bbl/day (2004)

Oil - imports:
13.15 million bbl/day (2004)

Oil - proved reserves:
21.76 billion bbl (1 January 2006 est.)

Natural gas - production:
490.8 billion cu m (2005 est.)

Natural gas - consumption:
604 billion cu m (2005 est.)

Natural gas - exports:
19.8 billion cu m (2005 est.)

Natural gas - imports:
117.9 billion cu m (2005)

Natural gas - proved reserves:
5.551 trillion cu m (1 January 2006 est.)

Current account balance:
-$747.1 billion (2007 est.)

Exports:
$1.14 trillion f.o.b. (2007 est.)
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Beeyee



Joined: 29 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
seosan08 wrote:
2009 is going to be a bad year for EVERYONE!


Your wage won�t change!
Next year will be as any other year...
Bars will still be serving beer, and restaurants will still be serving food,
You get paid the same amount of money in won as you did last year...


You are assuming hagwons won't go bankrupt of course.
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seosan08



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
seosan08 wrote:
2009 is going to be a bad year for EVERYONE!


Your wage won�t change!
Next year will be as any other year...
Bars will still be serving beer, and restaurants will still be serving food,
You get paid the same amount of money in won as you did last year...


We're heading into one of the worst economic periods since the 1920's. The beer and food they serve will be served far less, and the money you're paid will be worth MUCH less. It will be like any other year, only worse.

And on the positive side, many of the wanker posters currently on Dave's will run back home to live with mommy and daddy!
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Bigfeet



Joined: 29 May 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like someone said, 2% growth is bad if exports is your lifeblood. College kids defaulting on their school loans have been shooting up the last few years. This recession will make it sky-rocket. Consumers can't spend their way out of the recession because they're already heavily in debt. Plus, there's a housing bubble in Seoul.
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cruisemonkey



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Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
Your wage won�t change!
Next year will be as any other year...
Bars will still be serving beer, and restaurants will still be serving food,
You get paid the same amount of money in won as you did last year...


I'm calling you on this one. Next year I get a W200,000/month raise (it's in my contract)... of course, the 200K will then be worth about 50 USD. Wink Rolling Eyes
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beeyee wrote:
itaewonguy wrote:
seosan08 wrote:
2009 is going to be a bad year for EVERYONE!


Your wage won�t change!
Next year will be as any other year...
Bars will still be serving beer, and restaurants will still be serving food,
You get paid the same amount of money in won as you did last year...


You are assuming hagwons won't go bankrupt of course.


yes of course...

the price of rice in emart will be same, the price of the bus is the same, prices will not increase, so you money still goes the same distance as before, now if you sending money back to USA , sorry sucks to be you!!
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seosan08



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
Beeyee wrote:
itaewonguy wrote:
seosan08 wrote:
2009 is going to be a bad year for EVERYONE!


Your wage won�t change!
Next year will be as any other year...
Bars will still be serving beer, and restaurants will still be serving food,
You get paid the same amount of money in won as you did last year...


You are assuming hagwons won't go bankrupt of course.


yes of course...

the price of rice in emart will be same, the price of the bus is the same, prices will not increase, so you money still goes the same distance as before, now if you sending money back to USA , sorry sucks to be you!!


Another Liberal Arts BA know-it-all.Rolling Eyes Prices WILL go up. With the exception of Russia, the countries that usually export surplus grain, won't be exporting grain this year. They either had drought (USA, Aussie), fires (USA), storm damage (Viet Nam, Burma) and so on. You can expect lots of food inflation in 2009. And unless there are bumper crops worldwide in 2009, you will see the same thing in 2010.

You've already seen the price of tuna and chicken (breasts) nearly double and other prices have risen too. How can you say prices will stay the same? Even at EMart and in general, we are on an inflation spiral. Do you always shop at BuyTheWay or something? It must REALLY suck to be you!
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crosbystillsstash



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Korean government needs to educate these foreign organizations, then they can get a better understanding of the Korean economy and stop being so negative Laughing
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Bigfeet



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bus prices already went up where I live. from 1500 to 2000 and from 3600 to 4000.
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