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corporate



Joined: 11 Oct 2008
Location: NEW YORK - SEOUL

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: THE korean bubble has burst! good times over Reply with quote

korean economy crashes, currency devalues 50% overnight

koreans in recession, which means households will not pay for privates, they are broke!

and to all you bros working in Korea now, doing your split shift and privates, ask yourself, why am i working for peanuts? guess what? you ARE!

the bubble has burst just like the internet bubble did in the US many years ago, at 1400 won to 1 buck, better off working in thailand.

have fun!
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afsjesse



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troll
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aside from the troll:

If the exchange rate is nuts, it means Koreans sell more goods abroad, which is what their economy depends on. A super strong won means weak exports and people start losing jobs.

Don't worry...Jimmy Kim's parents will still bankroll that private. They might demand more than a jean and t-shirt scrub foreigner teaching him though.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

afsjesse wrote:
I'm shivering in my pants and it's not due to your idle, moronic threat.

The fact is that the currency has NOT devalued 50 percent. For the year it is down roughly 37-40 given the day.

And here on Planet Korea privates are going well and prices have increased this year due to the won being devalued.

You coming on here stating that the Korean economy has tanked and its time to panic and leave for thailand is a malicous act and plain FALSE!!! So you go to Thailand, make your 800 dollars and enjoy the nice weather and life. I'd rather be there also. But, Korea has not become anywhere near that bad with pay and a simple lived person can still bank 1000 dollars per month if they really wanted too.

Get off your panic mode and call me in the morning.


I agree that the OP's post is a bit over the top, but in all honesty, Korea looks a hell of a lot less attractive for new teachers seeking to save or send money home to pay off college debt. Most newbies don't come here and find the higher-paying illegal private jobs from day one. The vast majority get stuck in sucky hagwon jobs that pay less (and even less now, given the exchange rate) with many more hours. This often leaves them little time for banking a lot in privates.


To put things into perspective, about 6 months ago, a newbie making 2,200,000 won per month was grossing about $2,315 US per month. Now, that same newbie at that same income is making about $1,555 US per month.

That's a pretty huge cut in pay. Given cost of living, I think someone had better have a nice stash of privates going to easily bank $1,000 per month after increased cost of living expenses here.

Things are pretty sucky for a newbie right now. No use sugar-coating it.
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alex83



Joined: 03 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a first for everything, and this post is the first time I've ever called anyone a TROLL--talking about the OP, of course.
He's been posting this kind of stuff for some time now.
We get it. You think the sky is falling...the good times forever gone.
Just forgive those of us who don't take too seriously your self-appointed authority on the subject.
Your point would also be made somewhat better if you didn't come off like a ranting, raving maniac.

I do, however, agree with bassexpander. If you're a new teacher and, especially if you have to send money home soon to pay debts, etc., then coming to Korea is probably not a great move right now.
Though, as we all know, things can change quickly.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the dumbest move an ESLer in Korea could do right now is cash out their won and head back home
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
the dumbest move an ESLer in Korea could do right now is cash out their won and head back home


I agree, but the majority of people here are not long-timers like us. They are here for a year (probably less, given averages) to make money for college loans, which they have to send money for monthly.

Under these terms, a newbie is somewhat forced to send money home at a pretty gawd-awful exchange rate.

On another note, I'd like to think things will improve soon, but I'm not expecting that to happen for at least another 2 years.
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sojourner1



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The troll didn't skew my thinking nor ruffle my feathers. I already know the facts which are not that bad(yet).

We actually have realized a devaluation of 42% in 3.5 months since August. 1000 won to the dollar vs. 1415 Won to the dollar. This is a huge unreasable and irrational difference for such a short time. Korea is taking the 1st hit in this big downturn, becuase it's the little guy between a rock and a hard place.
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dmbfan



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm shivering in my pants and it's not due to your idle, moronic threat.

The fact is that the currency has NOT devalued 50 percent. For the year it is down roughly 37-40 given the day.

And here on Planet Korea privates are going well and prices have increased this year due to the won being devalued.

You coming on here stating that the Korean economy has tanked and its time to panic and leave for thailand is a malicous act and plain FALSE!!! So you go to Thailand, make your 800 dollars and enjoy the nice weather and life. I'd rather be there also. But, Korea has not become anywhere near that bad with pay and a simple lived person can still bank 1000 dollars per month if they really wanted too.

Get off your panic mode and call me in the morning.


If one wants to..............work illegal privates. Yes, go against the law, because I love it when people do it my country... Rolling Eyes

In regards to banking $1000 a month, apparently you have not seen the exchange rate today. THEN.....you have to consider what the salary really is, after taxes, bills, insurance etc.

For someone making 2.2 million won per month...........if all taxes and what not are taken out (pension, insurance etc), followed by utility bills.........that will leave about 1.7 millino won.

1.7 million won a month is equal (at this point in time) to $1,195.517 USD.


Saving $1000 a month whle living off 200,000?

Why would anyone want to do that in Korea? It was the money and being able to save while NOT living like a bum that made the daily stuggles of Korea tolerable (for some/most/many).


I am in agreement that the bubble has burst in Korea.

dmbfan
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cost of living has skyrocketed here.

I was looking at new notebook computers, but I've given up, and will wait. Why? Because the exchange rate not only went to pot, the businesses here have adjusted their prices to match the US dollar price. So the same notebook computer that would have cost me 550,000 last summer is now upwards of 900,000 won.

This same thing is happening with many, many products -- and not just foreign imports -- Korean, as well. The businesses are feeling the pinch, and rather than lower their prices in the hopes of attracting more sales, they have raised prices in an attempt to cover their losses.

Heating oil prices are to be raised another 9 to 10 percent this winter.

There is talk of increasing transportation prices again for subway and/or taxis.

Food has gone up -- considerably, in some cases.

Milk prices have gone up almost 400 won for the size we buy.

My wife bought a single green pepper yesterday, and it cost 1,200 won! Oranges and apples are about the same.

Things are certainly not looking good at the moment.
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Netz



Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: THE korean bubble has burst! good times over Reply with quote

corporate wrote:
korean economy crashes, currency devalues 50% overnight

koreans in recession, which means households will not pay for privates, they are broke!

and to all you bros working in Korea now, doing your split shift and privates, ask yourself, why am i working for peanuts? guess what? you ARE!

the bubble has burst just like the internet bubble did in the US many years ago, at 1400 won to 1 buck, better off working in thailand.

have fun!


The sky is falling!

God help us all!
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English Matt



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bubble might seem to have burst from an American perspective, but things are not all that bad for everybody.

The British pound for instance is only about 7% down on where it was in August, and, given the high cost of living in the UK, even if inflation drives the price of some things up here, the cost of living will still be much lower than back home.

It would take 100% of my net income from Korea to rent my own apartment in London, and I would most likely only pull in 30% - 40% more income back home than I do here. Also with unemployment going up everywhere, I'm just damn happy to be doing a job that I (mostly) like and have a pretty high degree of job security.

I would imagine that most South Africans still find Korea to be quite profitable as well.

The dollar will have to drop in relative value eventually, just look at the pound (it was worth $2 a few months ago). What goes up must eventually come back down as has been said many times on this forum.
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marlow



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing as the won probably won't start recovering until summer 2009, I'd say it's a really bad time to start a one year stint in Korea.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Maybe not, though Reply with quote

marlow wrote:
Seeing as the won probably won't start recovering until summer 2009, I'd say it's a really bad time to start a one year stint in Korea.


Hmmm. Maybe. Maybe not, though. With all the layoffs back in the west coming due to this manufactured crisis, it may be best to get into a year-long contract NOW. Just don't be one of those who's sending mulla back to the home turf. Get in, coast for a year in a year-long as the hordes of unemployed come here looking for work, and save, save, save. Next year you may be able to renew and go another round. Again, keep on keeping on and save, baby, save. Keep that won in your bank account and you'll be fine.

Of course, if layoffs HERE happen, all this is moot. But you'll still come out clean. Just stick your mulla in an EverRich account, go elsewhere, and return to fetch it in a year or two when the rate is more favorable.

Right now, I'm weighing my options. If I hold out and complete my contract, I'll get my bonus. I'll also have another year in experience. But come March it may be harder to get the job I want. If I do complete my present agreement, I may have to take some time off until said job becomes available, meaning I'll eat up my bonus, and then some, before I get back to work. What to do. What to do.
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mountainous



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
To put things into perspective, about 6 months ago, a newbie making 2,200,000 won per month was grossing about $2,315 US per month. Now, that same newbie at that same income is making about $1,555 US per month.

That's a pretty huge cut in pay. Given cost of living, I think someone had better have a nice stash of privates going to easily bank $1,000 per month after increased cost of living expenses here.

Things are pretty sucky for a newbie right now. No use sugar-coating it.


..agree with all this, plus add the high risk that you will NOT get paid all of the promised Korean salary. So, 2,200,000.00 KRW= 1,539.431 USD. The average pay is 2.0 million won = 1,398.07354 USD.

After taxes, that figure drops closer to $1,000/month, enough to live on comfortably. IMO, a teacher should have a few thousand USD saved in the bank in case that the job falls through, you don't get paid, or it completely sucks for some other reason.

A big misconception that newbies have about private lessons is that you can teach private lessons as time provides and all you need to do is sign up...nothing could be farther from the truth. The clientele that demands home tutoring will not seek you out on the streets of Itaewon or in the subway station. The more that you try to "connect" with people through any form of advertising, the greater risk you run of getting deported.

It must be very difficult to draft new teachers to come to Korea...
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