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legalquestions
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: Koreans and Dokdo - misplaced priorities? |
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Why all the fuss about these useless rocks in the ocean? Personally, I am sick and tired of seeing it in the newspapers here everyday (writing contests about it, foreign scholars views on it, etc.)
Yes, I understand the argument about the potential importance of fishing rights and the argument about the "symbolism" regarding the age-old hatred for all things Japanese.
But shouldn't all of this pent-up frustration/rage/hatred/anger be directed to somethiong more useful like the issue of reunification? Afterall, these people here all have relatives in North Korea (same flesh and blood) who are living in a sort of modern day purgatory (those who haven't been executed already, that is).
Where are their priorities? I just don't get it! |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| They are Unified in their hatred of Japan. |
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pocariboy73
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| ...and unified in their love for kimchi and the 4 distinct seasons |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Owning the islands means owning valuable fishing area and natural gas resources that they speculate are there. |
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CeleryMan
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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It's called mind control people.
Exploit the predisposed tendencies of Koreans to rally feverishly around trivial matters like Dokdo as a means to reduce potentially unprecedented levels of mass civilian chaos as we near what could be a crisis worse than '97 IMF.
"Dokdo is ours!!!!!"
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| GreenlightmeansGO wrote: |
| Owning the islands means owning valuable fishing area and natural gas resources that they speculate are there. |
Yeah; Dokdo actually is fairly important. It's just that they (Korea/Koreans) have done the worst job in marketing those facts that I've ever seen in my life.
First, stop telling people about the rocks themselves. No one fucking cares, and it just makes you look like an idiot. No one cares about the rocks.
Talk about the resources of the *area*.
Also talk about how Japan is making a power grab along with China and Russia that will squeeze Korea's international waters. |
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victorology
Joined: 10 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| jdog2050 wrote: |
First, stop telling people about the rocks themselves. No one fucking cares, and it just makes you look like an idiot. No one cares about the rocks.
Talk about the resources of the *area*. |
The Koreans I know seem to know that it's not about the islands themselves but the waters surrounding them.
I think "Dokdo is our land" is much easier to say than "The waters around Dokdo and its resources are ours." |
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Passions
Joined: 31 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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It's called Pavlov's Syndrome.
Koreans have been conquered left and right hundreds and thousands of years ago, so they feel as though they are being conquered once again.
They really don't know how to react except to love wallowing in their own self-pity, usually through the use of mass demonstrations, cutting off pheasant heads, throwing food at embassies, crying to the UN, taking out silly ads in US newspapers, etc.
It has become an embedded instinct of Koreans to hate foreigners, which is why no matter how many good deeds a foreigner makes in Korea, it will only take one bad deed to set off the hidden suspicions of Koreans.
The true shame of this whole nonsense is that Korea has does have a legitimate claim to Dokdo. The Japanese have no business claiming Dokdo.
But the Japanese are extremely shrewd, they remain calm and quiet. It's exactly their composure and patience in their regard to Dokdo, which is giving Japan a more favorable stance in the eyes of the world. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know. It seems to me that the issue of Dokdo is important to Koreans. Wouldn't you be upset if another nation wanted a part of your homeland, especially one that you had a history of antagonism with? It seems pretty simple to me.
Now, I do understand why non-Koreans might get bored with the issue of Dokdo. It is not your property that needs to be defended. And, I also understand why people who are disgruntled at Korea might be anti-Dokdo. But, rarely do border disputes not result in patriotic responses.
Personally, I would give them a little more slack on this issue. |
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Bucheonguy
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Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| The true shame of this whole nonsense is that Korea has does have a legitimate claim to Dokdo. The Japanese have no business claiming Dokdo. |
Actually, I was doing some research on the rock because I was so sick of just hearing the accepted story. So what I found was, the issue was dredged up about 10 years ago by an anti-japanese politician when it was discovered that there are natural gas reserves on Dokdo. Prior to that, no one even cared and there was no sense in claiming it since both countries have been using it for fishing equally. Of course, after the initial Korean, "that's ours," claim the japanese followed suit. This also strained the K/J relationship even more. Some say, it's also politically motivated in order to improve relations between the north and the south since it's always been a topic of contention in the North. Remember that South and North realtions have been an important part of recent politics culminating in the famous "Sunshine policy" which won the former president a Nobel Peace Prize. It was later discovered that he bribed top officials with several billion dollars to keep him safe but, oh well.
So this gets me to the last part of my research. The US and other countries won't take a stand on this issue because there is actually no proof that the rocks belong to anyone. THe supposed maps that were discovered were only a rumour that the K news papers published as truth. It was later, very quietly, revoked. The island was apparently disovered by the French about 100 years ago. Prior to that, no country seemed to have any knowledge of that. So there is no legitimate claim on either side, therefore, there will be no real resolution. |
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Bucheonguy
Joined: 23 Oct 2008
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| The true shame of this whole nonsense is that Korea has does have a legitimate claim to Dokdo. The Japanese have no business claiming Dokdo. |
Actually, I was doing some research on the rock because I was so sick of just hearing the accepted story. So what I found was, the issue was dredged up about 10 years ago by an anti-japanese politician when it was discovered that there are natural gas reserves on Dokdo. Prior to that, no one even cared and there was no sense in claiming it since both countries have been using it for fishing equally. Of course, after the initial Korean, "that's ours," claim the japanese followed suit. This also strained the K/J relationship even more. Some say, it's also politically motivated in order to improve relations between the north and the south since it's always been a topic of contention in the North. Remember that South and North realtions have been an important part of recent politics culminating in the famous "Sunshine policy" which won the former president a Nobel Peace Prize. It was later discovered that he bribed top officials with several billion dollars to keep him safe but, oh well.
So this gets me to the last part of my research. The US and other countries won't take a stand on this issue because there is actually no proof that the rocks belong to anyone. THe supposed maps that were discovered were only a rumour that the K news papers published as truth. It was later, very quietly, revoked. The island was apparently disovered by the French about 100 years ago. Prior to that, no country seemed to have any knowledge of that. So there is no legitimate claim on either side, therefore, there will be no real resolution. |
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legalquestions
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Again, my point is their priorities - wouldn't you think that normal, rational people would be more concerned with their long suffering relatives across the DMZ border than with nationalistic hatred toward the Japanese/ a limited area of fishing/gas&oil rights?
I just think their priorities are wrong, that's all. |
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Yesterday
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)
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didn't you know??
Koreans LOVE Dokdo...
(Its a love thing).... |
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