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[patongpanda]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1089786/Her-undercover-film-exposed-anarchic-classrooms-Now-education-chiefs-trying-ban-teaching-again.html

Covertly filming in four failing inner city schools in Leeds and London, Alex - despite her very best efforts to engage her pupils - faced scenes of such disorder that she despaired over whether any of the children would leave having learned anything at all. Not that Alex will ever be invited back into the schools where she secretly filmed.

Indeed, she may never be allowed to teach again, having belatedly been hauled in front of the General Teaching Council this month to face charges of professional misconduct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae1gmuKeuXw&feature=related

[pkang0202]

Education system in Britain is not so "perfect" afterall.

I remember in another thread here, where people were talking about the failures of the Korean education system, it was the British system that was triumphed.

[Yu_Bum_suk]

[Kenny Kimchee]

I just watched the video. Good god, the west is doomed.

The only things children respond to is strength. If I told my teacher to "fvck off" I would have been suspended and my dad would have beat the holy hell out of me when I got home. I was smoking, drinking, and doing all the rest while I was in high school, but I always addressed my teachers with respect - because I knew I would get it from my old man when I got home if I didn't.

You couldn't pay me enough to teach in those schools. I reckon England needs to do a teacher exchange program with the ROK. Send a battalion of Mr. Kims armed with two meter long love sticks and their problem would be sorted in a month.

[bassexpander]

I don't know much about England, but if this were the US, I'd say that's why you need to make sure you don't live in crappy areas with crappy schools!

[saw6436]

I love kids and enjoy teaching them. But we need to realize that they are, developmentally, on par with animals. Not their fault just how the body and brain develop. You have to balance the carrot and stick. Sometimes give then a carrot but always have the stick ready to pound them.

I have no hard evidence but I bet there is a direct correlation between school violence and disrespect and the lack of corporal punishment. Like the above poster. If I had pulled some of that crap in school I would have gotten the beating of my life when I got home (and I would have deserved it).

[tiger fancini]

[kotakji]

While corporal punishment is probably an effective means of maintaining control of a classroom, I disagree with the notion that children are inherently rampaging wildebeests. It seems to me that lack of self-respect or expectation of success is usually the culprit. Thinking back on my grade school days, whether it be elementary, middle, or high school- there simply weren't behavioral problems of this nature in the classes I attended, and corporal punishment was never an option. It was a collage town, and most of my peers were the children of educated people- so the threat of failing in the eyes of our parents seemed to be more then enough incentive to at least behave!

[JMO]

Yea got to agree, my dad would have utilized the back of the hand if i told a teacher to F-off.

[bassexpander]

I wonder how many of those students come from single-parent homes, or homes where both parents are working?

[friendoken]

I grew up on military bases. A student's actions in school were directly reflected on the father. If a child messed up bad enough, Dad got court-martialed!

It was a perfect system for keeping kids in line.

Maybe making parents ultimately responsible for their children's behaviour is the answer.

[Underwaterbob]

The problem with corporal punishment is that it easily gets out of hand. It should never be done out of anger but far too often is.

[sharkey]

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[Koveras]

[yawarakaijin]

I have never liked the idea of reform schools or sink schools. Seems to me that it is just a board of education's cop out. It can certainly be of no benefit to a maturing child to be written off and segregated so early in their developmental years.

I believe every school should have certain classrooms within the main school dedicated to children that have certain needs.

Some classes should be made available for students with learning issues like A.D.D or other such problems. Other classes should be made available for simple behaviour issues.

The teachers of these special classes should be he most highly trained and motivating. At all times students should be made aware that placement in these classes is merely temporary until they are able to rejoin the regular student body.

Strictly referring to dealing with students with behavioural problems they should be dealt with directly and honestly. Inform them that because of their behavioural issues they will not be able to attend regular classes as they are disrupting everyone else's right to learn in a secure environment. Let them know that they are not being given up upon but that their behaviour is intolerable. Let them know that in no uncertain terms that they are seriously damaging their ability to become happy and functioning adults if they continue this trend and remain outside the mainstream learning being offered throughout the rest of the school. Let them know that if their behaviour changes they will immediately be put back into the mainstream classes with the rest.

When I look back on my educational years I find the lack of realworld advice I recieved from teachers and guidance counsellors alike completely shocking.

I was never a student that caused problems for others but I wish a few of my earlier teachers would have counselled me on certain things I thought I knew but obviously didn't.

I don't think I ever had a teacher say anything to me like....

Look buddy. You need to get this math down. If you don't you are going to have some serious problems in the future. Money is king, friend. Today I'm going to teach you about the stock market.

*beep* your situation now. As soon as you get out of highschool the world changes. The ones with brains get money, cars, girls and nice homes. The jocks and stoners end up on welfare drinking a 24 of Labatts 50 every weekend.

I think young teenagers respect a firm hand if they know it is coming from a position of love and respect. It's hard to say where that starting lacking first, in the homes or in the schools, but it is a trend that needs to be stopped. You don't need to whack a kid upside the head physically to get him on the right path. I think a good teacher or parent can show a child through example that his or her actions will have demonstrable effect on their future. If a kid is too dumb to see this....well there is only so much you can do.