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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject: Who�ll Bail Out Uncle Sam? |
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The federal government may seem like a financial knight on a white steed riding to the rescue of big companies in trouble. The irony is that Uncle Sam�s got enormous money problems of his own.
The government is far deeper in debt than any of the companies it�s bailing out.
As of this morning, the national debt stands at over $9.634 trillion. That�s trillion - with a "T." And that�s nearly $4 trillion more than it was on the day President Bush took office.
This year alone, it�s costing taxpayers more than $230 billion just to pay the interest on the national debt.
And it�s getting bigger every day thanks to the relentless rush of the government spending money it has to borrow. The federal deficit for the fiscal year ending September 30 is expected in the range of $400 billion - close to the all-time high.
In fact, the government doesn�t have the $85 billion needed to bailout insurance giant American International Group.
The treasury department announced this morning it would auction new debt to raise funds for the Federal Reserve�s rescue plan for AIG.
The Fed didn�t need President Bush�s permission for the bailout, but he supports the action.
�The president�s economic advisors had determined that some of these companies were so big - that to allow them to fail would have caused even greater harm and damage to the economy,� explained Press Secretary Dana Perino at today�s White House briefing.
And despite the government�s intervention to keep a distressed company from failing, Perino insists �the free market is alive and well.�
�We have systems in place here in our country to be able to deal with shocks to the system like this,� she said.
The rescue plan means taxpayer funds are being put at risk, but Perino said �taxpayers might be harmed even worse� if the collapse of a major company caused broader economic damage.
She declined to repeat President Bush�s oft-stated assurance that the �fundamentals� of the economy are strong. But she said the economy has the strength to deal with the strains it�s now facing.
�We�ll weather the storm and be better for it,� she asserted.
But where does the federal government go when it needs a bailout? Taxpayers need only look in the mirror. |
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/17/notebook/main4455247.shtml
Anybody interested in this topic needs to see IOUSA, which is currently in theaters in the US and some Canadian cities. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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I say this acknowledging that nearly every American deserves the coming suffering,
but our creditors will bail US out. Although the terms of that bailout might be really tough. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Over the years there have been endless posts about how stupid the Koreans were for having a banking/industrial system that collapsed because of poor organization, culture, operating systems. I'd like to hear what they have to say now about the US. Somehow I think they will still manage to convey a sense of superiority and contempt. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Who is "they" in your post. People here on Dave's? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Finally, some honesty.
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Reid Says `No One Knows What to Do' to Solve Crisis
Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Congress is unlikely to pass new legislation to overhaul financial regulations this year because ``no one knows what to do,'' Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said today.
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``We are in new territory, this is a different game,'' Reid said at a briefing in Washington. Neither Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke nor Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson ``know what to do but they are trying to come up with ideas,'' Reid said. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s//bloomberg/20080917/pl_bloomberg/ahvypbmmm9ma_1
We have no idea how severe this is, how far it will go and what Wall Street and the American financial system will look like when this settles (in 10 years, as Martin Wolf argues in today's FT). This is one of the joys of a fiat economy. It is a house of cards help up by "sentiment". Sentiment is really bloody bad now. |
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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Russia's top banks get infusion
September 17, 2008 -- Updated 0907 GMT
MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- Russia moved to bolster the country's
increasingly stressed banking sector Wednesday, as the global economic
turmoil deepened fears that the country could face a crisis similar to the
one 10 years ago.
Russia's primary stock indexes, MICEX and RTS, plummeted, with
banking stocks leading the way, prompting regulators to halt trading as of
noon (0800 GMT.)
The Finance Ministry said it was increasing liquidity for the country's three
largest banks, raising lending to 1.12 trillion rubles ($44.9 billion). The
country's top banks -- Sberbank, VTB, and Gazprombank -- will be
loaned federal funds for a minimum of three months, the ministry said.
"These are market-making banks capable of insuring the liquidity of the
banking system," the Finance Ministry said in a statement.
"Essentially we're counting on them as core banks to be able to lend to
small and medium banks," Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin said in televised
comments.
The move came a day after Russian stocks plummeted to their lowest
level in nearly three years as tumbling oil prices and Wall Street turmoil
focused concern about Russia's commodity-driven economy.
The Central Bank on Wednesday said that for the third day in a row, its
daily "repo" liquidity had been fully used by banks. The daily auctions are
used to loan money to domestic banks.
On Tuesday, the Central Bank had provided a record 361 billion rubles
($14.1 billion) at that day's auction.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/09/17/russia.banking.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText |
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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Recession ... or not?
The economy isn't doing as badly as you think. It just feels that way.
By Geoff Colvin, senior editor at large,September 17, 2008: 1:53 PM EDT
(Fortune Magazine) -- The recession is no doubt hurting you, perhaps badly. Your sales may well be down. Maybe you've even lost your job. Whatever your troubles, you may safely blame them on the recession.
After all, most of the CFOs questioned in a recent poll agree that the U.S. is in a recession; among the general public, 76% said the U.S. was in a recession six months ago, and other polling suggests most people believe things have grown worse since then.
The government takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, its rescue of insurance giant AIG (AIG, Fortune 500), the collapse of Lehman Brothers, and this week's hair-raising plunges in the Dow reinforce the sense of economic collapse. Even the No. 1 album on iTunes recently was Young Jeezy's The Recession. When hip-hop chart toppers are talking about the economy, something big is going on. The recession is everywhere.
Just one problem: There isn't any recession. The latest figures show that we clearly were not in one as of midsummer, whether you use the rule-of-thumb definition - two consecutive quarters of GDP shrinkage - or the looser concept of a sustained and significant economic decline.
The economy shrank marginally (-0.2%) in the fourth quarter of 2007, but otherwise it's been growing steadily for years. In the most recent quarter it grew at a vigorous 3.3%, fueled not by government stimulus checks but by a strong rise in net exports. The OECD has just raised its forecast of U.S. growth for the full year from 1.2% to 1.8% - not blistering, but still the fastest growth of all the G-7 countries.
Talkback: What do you think?
So if we're not in a recession, why does everyone think we're in one? Partly it's because in a global economy, it's possible to produce economic growth that many people don't feel. The rewards of economic growth are going disproportionately to those with the best educations, bypassing many of the more numerous workers without college or higher degrees. In some cases, well-educated workers like teachers have also missed the rewards of growth. Even a company's stock price that rises with global growth doesn't benefit Americans as much as it used to, because ownership is dispersed much more widely around the world than before.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/17/news/economy/colvin_recession.fortune/index.htm?cnn=yes |
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Cornfed
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| The rewards of economic growth are going disproportionately to those with the best educations.. |
The right families, more like. This kind of statement seems like another attempt to blame the victims when the system shafts them and sucker them into taking on more student loans and going back to school, thereby reducing the true figure of unemployment. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Who is "they" in your post. People here on Dave's? |
Goldmember comes to mind. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Who is "they" in your post. People here on Dave's? |
'they' = the people who were posting 'endless posts about how stupid the Koreans were for having a banking/industrial system that collapsed because of poor organization, culture, operating systems'. |
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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008 Location: Down by the river
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Some of us Americans opposed Reagan, the right-wing Republican ideology, Bush, and the psychopathic neo-cons in their manic deregulation (though Clinton signed an awful bill that is part of the problem. Rubin, the DLC crowd also share some blame, but not nearly as much as the Republlicans).
They were adroit at using cultural wedge issues (Palin, anyone?) to win/steal (2000) elections. I've always thiought if we just got rid of the South America would be much better off. Less country music for one thing.
To be honest, this is good for America in the long run. First of all, it puts a real dent in McCain's chances. Second, it's one more nail in the coffin of the free-market deregulation schemes that the Republican's champion.
And whether our financial system is "rational" or not is not relevant to whether Korean banking is. They might both suck, I don't really know about Korean finance so I can't say. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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you know the US isn't even in recession. The US is a lot more than financials.
The the biggest problem the US economy faces is entitlements , not the national debt.
the US economy is stong enough to handle the nation debt . But something needs to be done about entitlements. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| But something needs to be done about entitlements. |
Like what? |
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muss8813
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: |
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"I say this acknowledging that nearly every American deserves the coming suffering"
Uhhhh, yeah. Why nearly everyone exactly? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Uhhhh, yeah. Why nearly everyone exactly? |
Making a virtue of necessity?
Possibly Kuros is a Puritan-throwback and believes suffering is good for building character?
I've thought about his statement off and on all day and have decided that I don't agree with it. I would like to hear his explanation for what he meant by it and I'll hold my full response until I've read it.
However, my initial response is that people have a right to be very angry at the powers that be. Very angry. A lot of people are going to suffer through no fault of their own as far as I can see. Nearing the end of my working years, I'm very concerned that my savings for the last thirty years have gone down the drain.
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