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Real Reality · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul

Are you earning less than a teacher on call (or substitute teacher)?

1 CAD = 1,194.65 KRW
1 USD = 1,481.10 KRW
Live rates at 2008.11.29
http://www.xe.com/ucc

Oregon, United States ( http://www.osba.org/lrelatns/salary/subpay/index.htm )
Oregon School Boards Association
"The Department of Education is charged with computing the statewide average daily salary for beginning teachers who hold a bachelor's degree....
For 2008-09, the minimum rate for the first 10 consecutive days of substitute teaching is $150.16 per day.... For districts without a salary scale, the minimum rate is $176.66 per day (100 percent, rather than 85 percent, of the statewide average salary for beginning teachers with a bachelor's degree). [ORS 342.610 (3)(a)]"

Alberta, Canada ( http://www.teachers.ab.ca/Salary%20and%20Benefit/Pages/Index.aspx )
Edmonton School District No 7
Substitute Teachers
"The rate of pay for substitute teachers shall be, inclusive of general holiday and vacation pay, as follows:
Full Day: $180
Half Day: $99"
http://www.teachers.ab.ca/Salary%20and%20Benefit/Collective%20Bargaining/Collective%20Agreements/Pages/Edmonton%20School%20District%20No%207%20%282007%20-%202012%29.aspx

British Columbia, Canada
British Columbia Teachers' Federation ( http://bctf.ca/BargainingAndContracts.aspx?id=4890 )
"Rate of Pay:
a. Employees who are employed as teachers on call shall be paid the rate specified below for each full day worked for the first three (3) days. Any provision in the Previous Collective Agreement which provides a superior daily rate shall remain part of the Collective Agreement.
i. Effective July 1, 2006 $194.75
ii. Effective July 1, 2007 $199.60
iii. Effective July 1, 2008 $204.60
iv. Effective July 1, 2009 $209.70
v. Effective July 1, 2010 $213.90"
http://bctf.ca/uploadedFiles/Bargaining_Contracts/Agreements/Provincial/PCA.pdf

VanIslander · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:06 am Post subject:

Do you have a B.Ed. and certification back home?

If not, then ignore this thread.

Real Reality · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul

VanIslander · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:40 am Post subject:

Darkray16 · Joined: 09 Nov 2008

Canerican · Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Location: Cheongpyeong, S. Korea

I have a bachelor's in music education and a K-12 2-year provisional license in the state of Ohio.

As a substitute teacher in a rural area, I made $60-$80 a day.

Given that this was without insurance, a home, or lots of other things (like actually having people to talk to!) ... I'm still doing pretty good in Korea, all things considered.

I didn't know the sub rates were way higher in most other places until I started looking it up. Whenever I head home, it's definitely time to book it out of town and see if I can get my license transferred.

crossmr · Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

Real Reality · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul

Substitute teacher shortage in Alberta
CBC (May 17, 2007)
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2007/05/17/subsitute-teachers.html

pkang0202 · Joined: 09 Mar 2007

Full time teachers have certain requirements, but not so with substitutes.

In my local district, you only need 2 years of college to qualify to be a substitute teacher.

Mr. Pink · Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China

The thing you also have to consider for a substitute, especially if you are a high school sub, your day is pretty much baby sitting 3 periods, unless you are subbing for a substantial amount of time.

I can make more in Korea than I will my first 5 or so years teaching full-time in Canada. The problem is, Korea can't touch that 5-10 year pay that I would get for the amount of hours I put into that pay. Also, the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan which everyone in the province likes to bitch about, pays well when you retire. What do you get in Korea for working there 20-25 years? 1/12th of your 30-40mil a year salary? Those privates which were so good have no pension attached to them.

After 10 years as a teacher in Ontario I'll be making 85-95k a year. After 10 years as a teacher in Korea, I think the most I made in my last year was about 40-45mil a year. I had to work during vacations and do extra classes to make that much, or it would have been like 35mil a year. My pension after 10 years was only 14-15mil too. I'll get 80% of my regular salary when I retire as an Ontario teacher.

If your point was that Korea should be as lucrative, well how many people hold B.Eds in Korea? How professional are they treated there? What is the difference between what they do and Joe with a BA does?

It is much easier to get a job in Korea "teaching" than it is in Canada. Alberta might have had shortages in 2007 when the oil was booming, but that will even out this year as people start leaving the province as oil is less than 1/2 of what it was worth 4 months ago.

So RR what was your point again? You love to complain and moan, we know. I wonder why you are still in Korea. Since 2003 when I joined, all you've done is complain about the pay.

Ryzn · Joined: 03 Jun 2007

I'm a substitute teacher here in Los Angeles and my district pays shite!

$124 per day for Middle School and $117 for Elementary. And good ole Arnold Swarzeneger cut Education by a pretty penny in California which means teachers are taking less meetings (less sub jobs) and no pay increases.

I can't wait to get over to Asia! I have a P.S. job lined up with Smoe, but am still considering Japan or China. Hmmm . . .

joshuahirtle27 · Joined: 23 Mar 2008

In NB you have to have a Bachelors degree to substitute. In order to be hired on full time by a school you have to have a BEd. You get a local permit which allows you to teach in your district at any school for up to 6 consecutive months.

The_Source · Joined: 09 Oct 2008

sojourner1 · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject:

Substitute teacher pay is only $60 a day back in Missouri and that's the same pay I would had made teaching Summer school there. You have to get up super early, wait for a call that may not come, go to the school, see the kids off the bus, assess what it is their homeroom teacher wants, get chewed out by the stressed out principal, spend your lunch break with the students, and see them to the bus which makes for a long day. It's actually a lot of work. You also may be asked to supervise after school activities too.

Instead of teaching Summer school to go fishing and camping at home for a season, I went ahead and went back to Korea for the Summer. Relatives are a huge headache anyhow when they think you're banking some money. When my greedy thieving brother reported to the police that I stole his truck after selling it to me for a fair price sealed the deal to never try to live there again along with various other drama scenes being throwed in my face on a regular schedule. Next time, I'll relocate away from family in another state that might even offer job opportunities to enjoy living life more than what Missouri has to offer.

What's going on in the Midwest?

Mr. Pink · Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China