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Undercover



Joined: 14 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Am I shallow? Reply with quote

I have not dated for a long time. I just can't really meet anyone. Not that I am really looking here. I am not fond of Korea girls and I don't know very much Korean.

But I keep in touch with my ex-girlfriend from time to time from the Philippines. I love her very much, if only as a friend. She is great. She is very personable and I get along with her probably better than I have ever gotten along with anyone before. And she loves me to death. But she is not attractive. Not that I am that particular about appearances. I am not. I am quite flexible about how someone looks. In most cases, looks at not that important to me. But she is the exception. She has a very broad nose and large forehead. It doesn't bother me most times, but when I am with her for an extended period of time it gets to me. I start to resent her and do petty and mean things to her. And so I know that I just cannot marry her. I love her more than I have ever loved anyone but I just could not wake up to her everyday for the rest of my life. And I am not in love with her, though I have never been in love with anyone so...

I know that sounds horrible, but it is the plain truth. I wish it were different. But I am getting older and I am starting to get worried. Maybe there will never be anyone else.

Any advice?
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, I hear you. These are not the days where you meet someone while you're young, marry her, and live happily ever after until you're 80 or 90 like it was for the old folks who grew up back in the early to mid 20th century.

These days, it's look out for your own interests time, even if you are with someone. Don't ever turn your money over to a woman. If she insists, then it's not right, because she intends to get over on you eventually and you'll be flat broke. It's so much more money focused today more so than it was back in our grandparents day.
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Big_Bird



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
OP, I hear you. These are not the days where you meet someone while you're young, marry her, and live happily ever after until you're 80 or 90 like it was for the old folks who grew up back in the early to mid 20th century.

These days, it's look out for your own interests time, even if you are with someone. Don't ever turn your money over to a woman. If she insists, then it's not right, because she intends to get over on you eventually and you'll be flat broke. It's so much more money focused today more so than it was back in our grandparents day.


I don't think that is what the OP is concerned with. It's not her financial schemes, it's her nose and forehead.

I don't know what advice to give. Take a sharp pencil, blind yourself and marry her, or move on?
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Am I shallow? Reply with quote

Undercover wrote:
I have not dated for a long time. I just can't really meet anyone. Not that I am really looking here. I am not fond of Korea girls and I don't know very much Korean.

But I keep in touch with my ex-girlfriend from time to time from the Philippines. I love her very much, if only as a friend. She is great. She is very personable and I get along with her probably better than I have ever gotten along with anyone before. And she loves me to death. But she is not attractive. Not that I am that particular about appearances. I am not. I am quite flexible about how someone looks. In most cases, looks at not that important to me. But she is the exception. She has a very broad nose and large forehead. It doesn't bother me most times, but when I am with her for an extended period of time it gets to me. I start to resent her and do petty and mean things to her. And so I know that I just cannot marry her. I love her more than I have ever loved anyone but I just could not wake up to her everyday for the rest of my life. And I am not in love with her, though I have never been in love with anyone so...

I know that sounds horrible, but it is the plain truth. I wish it were different. But I am getting older and I am starting to get worried. Maybe there will never be anyone else.

Any advice?


I think there's deeper issues at hand if you think you resent her because of her nose and forehead. I'm not so idealistic to say that love conquers all or any of that Beatley crap, but all the same being petty and mean to someone you "love" because of physical imperfection is, well, petty and mean.
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DrOctagon



Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Location: Chicago

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel for you OP. I met this girl that I clicked with so much on a personal level. The only thing that kept me from dating her was her appearance. She was kinda short and stumpy, and she had short hair which I don't really care for. And the real turn off was when we kissed (we were really drunk after a Cub's game). It felt like I was kissing a slimy toad or something. Her tounge was fat, short, and slimy. I can't explain it.

And then I meet girls that are hot but we have nothing in common. It seems like I'm destined to be alone because I can never find the "complete package." Not that being 'alone' scares me; I actually enjoy my freedom and solitude. But I feel if I found the right girl I wouldn't mind having her around all the time. I have yet to find that girl.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but truthful.
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aboxofchocolates



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't love her in that way then don't debase your relationship by trying to make it something it's not. If you love a friend as a friend don't use them just so you don't end up alone and bitter. Or not, I'm not an expert.
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Koveras



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've been brainwashed by moralists into believing that outer beauty should not be important. Of course it is, and should be. Don't feel bad if you value it.
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Jandar



Joined: 11 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W37DlG1i61s&feature=related
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dharma bum



Joined: 15 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrOctagon wrote:
It seems like I'm destined to be alone because I can never find the "complete package." Not that being 'alone' scares me; I actually enjoy my freedom and solitude. But I feel if I found the right girl I wouldn't mind having her around all the time. I have yet to find that girl.


I feel this way as well. I've found someone who I connect with and understand more than I ever thought would be possible, but at the same time, I'm still bothered by certain imperfections and get a little annoyed at the thought of them being there for the rest of my life.

In my case though, I am a little worried about later on in life because I don't think I'll be able to find anyone I connect with better. Now, I like being alone a lot and having the freedom to live my life as I want, but I don't want to be the lonely old guy at the end of the bar. So is it better to spend my life with someone who I have a true connection with (even if things aren't perfect) or to try to enjoy life as a free individual (see a lot of places, do a lot of things, meet a lot of people, date a lot of women, etc.) and hope that I don't regret it when I'm 45 or 50 and there's not so much to do anymore? I don't know the answer, but it's something to think about.
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Faunaki



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first met my husband I didn't find him attractive. Well a little but not so much. In fact I didn't think I could marry him because of it. But my friends told me that he was ok and that I was being stupid.

Now I think he's attractive. It's one of those things when you've been around someone for a long time and they just get more and more attractive.

So maybe think about it more but I am glad that you are being honest with yourself about the situation.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dharma bum wrote:
I don't want to be the lonely old guy at the end of the bar.


Then don't sit at the end of the bar. That's my seat.
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dharma bum



Joined: 15 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
dharma bum wrote:
I don't want to be the lonely old guy at the end of the bar.


Then don't sit at the end of the bar. That's my seat.


don't worry. i'm not going anywhere near your seat... Confused

(in all honesty though, what i said in your quote kinda sounds like i look down on that lonely old guy, but i don't. i just genuinely wonder how fulfilling his existence is. it might be quite fulfilling... i just don't know...)
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dharma bum wrote:

don't worry. i'm not going anywhere near your seat... Confused


OK, but I might have bought you a beer.
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mnhnhyouh



Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dharma bum wrote:
hope that I don't regret it when I'm 45 or 50 and there's not so much to do anymore?


I will enter that bracket next year, but I'm not currently worried.

I have spent most of my adult life in relationships, I was single for 8 months in the 20 years before I came to Korea. I never married because I knew that after some years I would get bored.

I have been here for 20 months, and have been single for 11 of those. It has been good. But the time not single let me know that when I am interested I can meet women, and some of them like me enough to want to spend time together.

jajdude, I will be coming to get that beer in a few months Wink

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