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[Frankly Mr Shankly]

Here

http://koreabeat.com/?p=2994#comment-22698

Comments? Personally, I would love the guy's cellphone number.

[SHANE02]

He's got problem with westerners having sex with Koreans. It has nothing to do with English education. He's insecure and jealous. He should get laid more often.

[Gimpokid]

6000 people have been at this for 4 years and they've busted 80 people? I think that makes us look like model citizens.

To be fair it says they target teachers that commit crimes.

[Join Me]

My favorite quote from the article:

"Some of our members collapse from the exhaustion."


God, what the hell is wrong with these people? There have got to be a thousand other more important things they could do in Korea to change the lives of Koreans for the better and these fools choose to spend their time chasing down a few "foreign lecturers who bring venereal disease" to Korea.

Mr. Lee Eun-ung...I am sure this thread will eventually come to your attention. As a law abiding foreign resident in Korea, let me tell you that I think you have got to be the most pathetic loser and the biggest nut I have come across in my five years in Korea.

Want something constructive to do? Why don't you work at getting the more than 250,000 Koreans that are staying illegally in my country (the USA) to return to Korea.

[seoulsucker]

That web group is pretty much a lynch mob, sans torches and rope.

I wonder how his wife feels about all the time and energy he spends chasing down these people instead of at home with her.

Then again, is he even married? I can't imagine a guy that has a woman at home dedicating this much time and effort to such a lousy cause.

Maybe he should conform to Korean society's norms, and go to any of the thousands of illegal massage parlours in Seoul to get some of the stress worked out.

[Join Me]

[sunnyvale]

It seems he only has a problem with foreign men. At one point he said, "...we must expect them to conform our society�s laws and to behave as gentlemen."

The women are alright, but lets rid this country of foreign men.

[Bibbitybop]

His wife probably slept with a foreigner, he found out and has no other outlet for his insecurity.

[flakfizer]

[waynehead]

A foreigner definitely pissed in his breakfast and made him a little crazy, but he does say that he's only targeting illegal teachers who break the law. Granted, it's the job of the police to solve crimes, not a private citizen, but calling him and his group a "lynch mob" is going too far.

[EzeWong]

Being completely arbitrary here...

In some ways I think he makes valid points. Others I highly disagree with. On the one hand, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that they would find offense to us having sex with Korean women. I'd also like to make not theres no mention of foreign women having sex with Korean men so there's an obvious bias. I understand that Koreans don't like us sexing up there women but I'm not exactly sure why you would dedicate yourself to any kind of crusade to stop it... I mean, big deal, I like Korean women, sue me. It's not like the majority of sex with foreigners and Koreans are non-consenual... although in the case of rape and underage sex it's valid but that's a rare enough case he's better off worried about the plague making a comeback.

In regards to worrying about Foregin teachers taking drugs or being unqualified I can empathize with that. As I've said many times before, some of the teachers aren't the ideal role models. Taking drugs? Parent's don't want some long haired canabis smoking hippy teaching their children. Nobody does, so I agree that's something as a parent I would concerned about. However, I would question though how many foreigners are actively engaging in drug abuse now though... As for being unqualified... well I'm firmly in agreement with it. Lot's of underqualifed zerglings running around all over SK. I think it's a widespread problem, but not as serious as the underage sex or drug abuse.

You have to admit, when it comes to teachers here, a lot of what's on their mind is sex, alcholol, and selfish wanton thinking. Look at the topics that have 7-8 pages. Almost any topic addressing girls gets tons of posts. Posts about "how to improve the learning curve of your children" barely even touched. I'd be a concerned parent if I knew that my teachers weren't professionals. We SHOULD BE focusing on how to better teach our children but let's be serious. How often a day are you thinking "My children aren't learning as well as they should be, what can I do to make them better at English and make a huge impact on their lives?" Probably not enough. You're probably thinking "Jesus that girl at the bar last night totally had a thing for me... I wonder if all Korean girls are that easy blah blah blah..."

Let me ask it this way. Think back to YOUR schoolteacher. Would you expect them to be talking about the same stuff we're talking about on Dave's? Could you imagine Mrs. Mcboring in 6th grade math talking about how she just banged the hottest Korean guy or how she thinks all Korean men have small penises? not exactly...

Let's put things into perspective here. Some of the concerns aren't unfounded, but it may be an exagerated problem. Drugs and sex with minors are MAJOR offenses but occur rarely. Underqualification is less serious but rampant.

WE ARE THE ONES creating our own images. Dave's and all other expat forums have some of the most debauchery I've seen on any forum... Not to mention the sheer level of immaturity exhibited by some people really makes you contemplate the type of people who should be teaching. M-SU a guy who writes billions of posts everyday about how handsome it is think it's funny to do it agian and again. Someone immature and stupid as that I don't want getting 9 feet close of my children. Other people make posts and getting their kicks from making insulting sophmoric 1 liners and strings of sexual innuendos all the time. You could never imagine teachers back at home doing the same stuff we're doing. You think of them as boring, strict, and generally "no fun". If they had a forum for teachers back at home, they'd probably be talking about kinetic and potential energy... (which is what I was talking about with my Korean teachers today)

We as the Expat nation want respect we have to earn it. Can you blame Koreans for thinking that the Foreign teachers are douchebags?
I'd like to present exhibit A:

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6996/lolhu7.gif


Now this guy is an extreme example, but he does represent what many parents may be thinking. I don't agree turning into a zealot and making some kind of crusade agianst foreign teachers by being a vagrant. But I do think this is a problem and he should address it with the government and the necessary organizations if he wants to make a difference.

As for us ESL Teachers. We need to change our image. Let's focus on the things that matter: The Children (god I sound like maude from the simpsons "Won't someone please, think about the children?"). Look at our job disscussion forum. There clearly isn't enough topics about teaching theory, strategies, materials, etc. As teachers this is what we SHOULD be doing. We need to be professionals here. The few out there that are F-ups stop giving these crazy zealots reasons to cruicfy us. All expats, I'm saying to you, we need to keep our own people in check too. Like the military, if you see private pyle (Full metal jacket reference) Fing up, we take the punishment. I've been doing pushups for the screwed up FT's before me and I'm sick of it. WE MUST, if we want to be seen as mature professionals not only become better ourselves, but keep the idiots in check. If you see a newbie who refuses to make lessons plans, look down on him, call him a worthless pile of *beep*. "I didn't piles of *beep* stacked that high!" Up your game, and others as well. I'm sick of all the FT's out there giving the real genuine good ones a bad name.


And Jesus Chirst let's stop all this theorizing about Korean Women. Obviously, if we have to talk about it on annoymous internet forum, then we REALLY are clueless. There isn't some secret answer about Korean women either ( ), They are just as confusing as western women. Also, like all people, everyone's different. I admit I'm guilty as the next guy. I love to talk about how Korean women (especially gyopos) are bat crazy. Most of the time I'm kidding though and usually want a rise out of them. We all need to stop. By gabbing about women all the time, do you know what we become? A woman.

[wylies99]

The Koreans who actually believe in this "cause" are filled with hate and bitterness, and their "leader" sounds like he's mentally ill- SERIOUSLY.

Then again, maybe it's a business and they get money from hagwon owners to NOT report the hogwans AND get rid of foreigners who are teaching privates around certain hagwons.

Who knows?

[wylies99]

Ezewong, read the interview. This is NOT a rational man or an organization with good intentions.

[EzeWong]

[RJjr]