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phoenixstorm



Joined: 06 Mar 2007
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: The Situation Reply with quote

Last year in Feb, during my 11th month, he asked me to leave. I agreed if I was going to get my serverance for the 11th months I worked. He agreed. I got a letter of release, I left, and went to my new job.

Now I have just checked my pension for my current job: everything is there. But, the pension money from the old job is not. So the pension office calls him so he can pay his share of the pension.

He calls me hours later saying that he tells all his teachers that he does not pay pension and that I knew that at the time. Nevertheless he will pay if I refund the serverance money. If I do not he will report the severance as a clerical error.

So any thoughts?


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Cerriowen



Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Location: Pocheon

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea. How did you manage to get a job teaching english?
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phoenixstorm



Joined: 06 Mar 2007
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah my fault in believing people keep their word and honor their commitments.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't matter what your boss tells you or other teachers about pension. Your boss is required by LAW to pay into each and everyone of his employees' pension.

Don't talk to your ex-boss. Just pursue your pension refund with the NPS. NPS will collect the money for you.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your boss is SOL.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ramen wrote:
It doesn't matter what your boss tells you or other teachers about pension. Your boss is required by LAW to pay into each and everyone of his employees' pension.

Don't talk to your ex-boss. Just pursue your pension refund with the NPS. NPS will collect the money for you.


The only way to go.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
Ramen wrote:
It doesn't matter what your boss tells you or other teachers about pension. Your boss is required by LAW to pay into each and everyone of his employees' pension.

Don't talk to your ex-boss. Just pursue your pension refund with the NPS. NPS will collect the money for you.


The only way to go.


Exactly - have no more contact with the ex-boss and simply show what documents you can to the pension office.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't back down...

you got your early release - 30 days notice or 30 days pay.... NOT severance.... for your 11th month termination. He negotiated his way out of it... not a clerical error and his position is not enforceable

AND

you are legally entitled to pension....

Don't back down.

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phoenixstorm



Joined: 06 Mar 2007
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UPDATE: So I went to the pension office in Jamsil, they told me to go to the office in the area where my old school is. So I went there and they told me that because I "retired" from my old school that he is not obligated to pay pension for last year and that it would be his choice to do so.

I explained that paying pension is not a choice and that even though I do no work there any longer I still work in korea. They took my information and made copies of everything but expressed that they cannot make any promises.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phoenixstorm wrote:
UPDATE: So I went to the pension office in Jamsil, they told me to go to the office in the area where my old school is. So I went there and they told me that because I "retired" from my old school that he is not obligated to pay pension for last year and that it would be his choice to do so.

I explained that paying pension is not a choice and that even though I do no work there any longer I still work in korea. They took my information and made copies of everything but expressed that they cannot make any promises.


They're full of sheet. I'd go directly back to head office in Jamsil right away and tell them what's going on. Be nice with them there. When you turn on the charm, they bend over backwards for you. It'll probably expedite the whole process having to go back to head office. Tell them you have no money and you were relying on this refund. But be nice.
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maingman



Joined: 26 Jan 2008
Location: left Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: . Reply with quote

phoenixstorm wrote :

yeah my fault in believing people keep their word and honor their commitments.


OR mate.. me "believing" that (at) UNIVERSITY korean ppl( that Im guessing).. Phd 'ers can write one or two coherent sentences -when emailing their prospective employees
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krshearman74



Joined: 30 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been in the exact same situation - 11 month firing with severance payment and then later found out that the director had not paid my pension. I simply went to the pension office, paid my part of the pension (it was 50-50) and then they deposited the full amount into my bank account. Stick to your guns - he must pay the pension.
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phoenixstorm



Joined: 06 Mar 2007
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another update:

I finally heard from the local district pension office where I used to work. She said that she is not responsible for the situation and that my ex boss said he would pay pension in January, however she said that she has no control over whether he does or not.

So basically she is washing her hands of the situation.
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jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sort of in the same boat. The thing is, the hagwon owner has been very nice in letting me go. So, I don't feel like pushing it. I was able to save more money in the long run because I didn't have to fly out of the country, get a place to stay, get all the paperwork for a new visa, and any other expenses. Pension doesn't add up to a lot when you bring in these factors.

However, if you feel the trade off of you leaving the school was not enough, then I would make frequent visits in person to the pension office. Eventually, someone should hear your case. If not, we need to all get screwed so we can make it a bigger issue. I doubt that's the case though.
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irwinpryce



Joined: 30 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wouldnt worry too much,

I am in a worse situation.

My boss hasn't paid for tax or pension. I never recieved a receipt even though I nagged a million times. I assumed I was getting about the right amount and worked it out that it was near enough.

I have been getting paid a less salery, my boss and recruiter both say I was given the "wrong" contract and that I will have to stick with what I am on, plus all tax should be sorted, so now I will in effect be earning even less.
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