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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: my conspiracy theory: McCain was chosen to lose all along |
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It makes perfect sense.
The powers that be in the Bush Administration and behind the scenes of the Republican Party are influenced by party-neutral financial interest groups (e.g., military, pharmaceutical, energy, Israali) that already have gotten to Obama politically. The nuclear energy lobby, for instance, has him on side and he deftly mentions but underplays the importance of that technology, and all this talk of the need for energy independence and addressing climate change is a prelude to what will be the biggest increase in nuclear energy use in American history. He will be the nuclear president, mark my words on that. Similarly he will be no more left wing on military matters than was right of centre Bill Clinton, in fact, expect the military budget to decrease not one iota, though more peacekeeping efforts and reconstruction aid might supplant Baghdad security.
McCain was a surprise choice of the Republican Party and with his blind ambition to be president, evidenced by his 180 degree turn on a multitude of issues, he has obviously sold his soul to the devil, so to speak, so why is it a stretch to think he's already in the pocket of the corporate interests backing the other horse?
Palin as the vice president candidate was the perfect ruse to placate the base and alienate cautious independents at a time when the Democrat's inexperience and outsider personna could have been used against him; Obama looks like the establishment, the safe pick in a cautious time, compared to an Alaskan rookie politician and a maverick health-challenged old guy.
I smelt something was in the air way back when Rudy Giuliani didn't campaign much leading into Florida, thinking at the time he was maybe more being positioned for a veepee bid, he being one of the lackeys in the 9/11 coverup if there was one, and certainly part of the ol' boys network behind the Bush presidency.
And while Hillary was the one expected to win all along, Obama's corporate "support" and willingness to play ball, was established by March, he having been gotten to by those who don't care who wins as long as their interests are served. The character of his speeches, especially when he started getting into specifics, rung untrue to my ears, and he begin to seem like any other politician in his waffling on policy prescriptions. He was no Gore or Kerry in the upshot of his positions hence not a threat to actually make real change despite his rhetoric. Hillary vs. Obama was one big non-race because both horses had pretty much the same backers.
The writing has been on the wall for six months at least but all of it hasn't been read or understood yet. Thinking this makes sense of many puzzling developments this election year.
Do I believe this? Not fully, but I suspect it.
I don't read political blogs on the 'net and am not overly connected with the political race. I suspect this theory of mine isn't new because I read somewhere (in passing) that Palin was chosen precisely because the party expected to lose anyways. That kind of thought feeds conspiracy theorists, which I definitely am not in general. |
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Ji
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: On the Flipside |
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You do realize that as of the latest polls, McCain and Obama are running virtually neck and neck now with a 1% difference, and the samplings +/- 3-4%.
Elections always seem to be in flux until the day of voting. Even with Bush's overwhelming chance of success during his 2nd bid for president, Kerry was giving him problems for awhile. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: On the Flipside |
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Ji wrote: |
You do realize that as of the latest polls, McCain and Obama are running virtually neck and neck now with a 1% difference, and the samplings +/- 3-4%. |
In the electoral college allocations it's not close any more isn't it?
National popular vote polls aren't worth much but are usually the ones in the newspapers. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Obama's recent appointees sure seems to support the theory. |
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Bucheonguy
Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Location: Bucheon
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with you completely. Take a look at Bush sr. when he ran. He pulled the same kind of political suicide, by mid campaign, promising to, wait for it, raise taxes! What republican promises this? Of course political polls showed him neck and neck with Clinton.
Quite frankely if you believe there's an NWO kind of group running the show then it doesn't make much faith to put your trust in political polls controlled by the same companies that give you the mainstream media.
Obama was destined to win and he won't be any better than Bush. He's just better at selling things than GW was. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Bucheonguy wrote: |
Obama was destined to win and he won't be any better than Bush. |
C'mon, how could he possibly be as bad as Bush? And let's not forget "The Power of Sales"!!!
Public perception is powerful (this referencing the '3-P' concept which has been enshrined for eternity in the Political Handbook for Dummies). |
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bangbayed

Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: |
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Bucheonguy wrote: |
Obama was destined to win and he won't be any better than Bush. He's just better at selling things than GW was. |
Cynicism is nice and safe and comfortable, isn't it? |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Bucheonguy wrote: |
Obama was destined to win and he won't be any better than Bush. He's just better at selling things than GW was. |
I certainly have no illusions about Obama, and I have been trying to open up people's eyes about him on this list for over a year now.
Come on, it will be pretty hard to be as bad as Bush43 who may just be the worst president ever. Even I have to admit Obama has to be an improvement.
OTOH, I could be wrong!  |
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