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Farah2310
Joined: 29 Nov 2008
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: Sick days? |
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I don't get it- do koreans not get sick? I am looking to come teach english in S korea this January but the school just told me that they don't offer sicks days. Is that normal? They also said thaf if I do miss a day it will be deducted from my pay. Is this something to be concerned about or is this a normal thing in Korea? |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Sick Leave |
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Public School Contracts allow 10 days sick leave, but you need a doctors certificate for more than 2-3 days, & even taking one day is frowned upon, unless you are genuinely sick. Even then, don't be surprised if your Korean coteachers come checking up on you in your apartment. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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In Korea you don't take sick days unless you're so sick you need to be hospitalised; but if you do, you should not have a days salary deducted from your paycheque. Tell them no thanks. |
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egrog1717

Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Sick Leave |
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chris_J2 wrote: |
Public School Contracts allow 10 days sick leave, but you need a doctors certificate for more than 2-3 days, & even taking one day is frowned upon, unless you are genuinely sick. Even then, don't be surprised if your Korean coteachers come checking up on you in your apartment. |
SMOE gives 15, with no Dr's note needed until after the 7th day (inclusive of weekends) |
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Korussian
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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The 2008 GEPIK (public school) contract allows for 15 paid sick days per year, and 30 total sick days. If you're sick for 7 days, you have to bring a doctors note. Really very reasonable!
However, note that if you actually do take a sick day your colleagues will either wonder if you require hospitalization, or be anywhere from miffed to pissed that you took, what is in their eyes, a "day off".
In Korea, if you have a cold/flu, you still come to work. It's normal to see Koreans spending much or all of their work day with their heads on their desks on the days when they are ill. On the days when they are not ill, they only spend a portion of the day with their heads on their desks. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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2009 EPIK contract only allows 11 days of sick leave.  |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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It's normal for Korea but you don't need to make it normal for you. It's a teachers' market. |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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PS will be more forgiving for taking sick days than a hagwon. They might make sucking noises and try to guilt trip you but they are in the contract. You are the white face of your hagwon and missing classes is an even more unpleasant experience. |
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mrgisa
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Of all the ridiculous, illogical and insane things that Koreans expect of their workers, this probably ranks first. How logical is it to make people go to work when they are sick? Do people really get more work done when they are sick? How about other people? Of course, it's not being selfish to make people go to work when they are sick: after all, helping to spread a cold, flu or what-have-you with your coworkers, students or the general public is selfless.
Let them frown upon you, give you dirty looks, drop by your place whatever...if you are sick, don't go. That's why we have these days in the contract and it's the only way they may ever learn...
As for a job that has no sick days in the contract? Toss it to the curb. that's the only way they'll learn either. This is a teachers market and there's no need to live with that fear. No one should have to work when they are sick...
My ee won...
Gisa ^^
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Xuanzang wrote: |
PS will be more forgiving for taking sick days than a hagwon. They might make sucking noises and try to guilt trip you but they are in the contract. You are the white face of your hagwon and missing classes is an even more unpleasant experience. |
Oh yes, they'll suck their teeth to say, "I disagree and have a problem with you." And then they won't talk directly about said problem, it's to try to make you guilty. I guess they can sense that I don't fall for guilt trips so they can't play that on me. After my vice-principal acted indifferent with his teeth sucking during his 1st ever attempt to speak English with me, I mimed by acting like I was puking and then held my tummy say, "Yesterday, painful; today, good." He had asked if I was OK and then expressed disagreement with his teeth sucking several times. That's when I finally approached his desk and mimed it out. He went, "OK," and nodded his head acknowledging this.
Often Koreans will not speak any English until they have a problem with you several months down the road. That's an insult that reveals many unsaid things. |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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I just checked the 2006 Gepik contract, & it stipulates 15 days sick leave.
Also checked the Epik 2007 contract, & it also stipulates 15 days.
After that, it's leave without pay, as per sample contract 2007:
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Article 15 (Sick Leave) ① Employee shall be entitled to a paid sick leave if an illness or injury prevents him/her from performing the duties under this Contract, provided, however, that he/she obtains Employer's prior consent.
② When Employee takes a sick leave for more than seven (7) days (inclusive of a national holiday, Saturday, and Sunday), Employee shall submit a practicing doctor's medical report to Employer.
③ Employee's paid sick leave during the Term of Employment shall not exceed fifteen (15) calendar days(inclusive of a national holiday, Saturday, and Sunday). If Employee requires a sick leave for more than fifteen (15) calendar days, Employee may take a further sick leave without pay. |
Source: http://epik.knue.ac.kr/file/2007%20EPIK%20Contract_Form(A4%20size).doc |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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sojourner1 wrote: |
Xuanzang wrote: |
PS will be more forgiving for taking sick days than a hagwon. They might make sucking noises and try to guilt trip you but they are in the contract. You are the white face of your hagwon and missing classes is an even more unpleasant experience. |
Oh yes, they'll suck their teeth to say, "I disagree and have a problem with you." And then they won't talk directly about said problem, it's to try to make you guilty. I guess they can sense that I don't fall for guilt trips so they can't play that on me. After my vice-principal acted indifferent with his teeth sucking during his 1st ever attempt to speak English with me, I mimed by acting like I was puking and then held my tummy say, "Yesterday, painful; today, good." He had asked if I was OK and then expressed disagreement with his teeth sucking several times. That's when I finally approached his desk and mimed it out. He went, "OK," and nodded his head acknowledging this.
Often Koreans will not speak any English until they have a problem with you several months down the road. That's an insult that reveals many unsaid things. |
Amazing how their English comes out for unpleasantness |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:09 am Post subject: |
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I come in because I would want them (foreign coworkers) to do the same for me. (Not public school.) I'd rather come in sick then have to cover classes whenever my coworker decides she's too sick to work. Same as at the low level jobs I worked at home... I'd go unless I was unable to get out of bed.
I called in sick loads at public school though. Felt no qualms about making those lazy arse coteachers do their share of the work for once.  |
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Sapa

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: |
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I'm the same with sick days at my hagwon, I wouldn't want to put the other teachers out. I don't want to have to cover their lessons in my free periods just the same as I'm sure they don't want to cover mine.
If I was fairly sick but could still get out of bed and operate fairly normally I would just come in anyway and put a movie on or something. |
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