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moptop
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Gangwondo
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 Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: director screaming, friend wants to leave, can she return? |
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My friend works at a hagwon in Gangwondo and wants to leave her hagwon because her director is emotionally abusing her. I just read her contract, which is the usual terrible stuff, and there is a clause in there that says the school will not provide a LOR.
She has only been there 2 months and they say she is such a bad teacher that if she doesn't improve in a month they will fire her. I am a certified teacher and have tried to help her but there is no pleasing this director. I believe there is a hidden agenda and the director wants to get rid of my friend. The director has given her this ultimatum, but it looks like she will get no LOR, even if fired. The director makes her cry all the time by telling her what a crap job she is doing, and yelling at her. She is a mess right now and wants to leave her job.
I have tried to find the answer here and by googling, but it's really unclear. Can she go to the immigration office, cancel her visa, leave the country, and return to get a new job? She has all her paperwork for a new visa, but she does not have, nor will likely get, a LOR. Will she have to wait until her contract is finished to return? Should she give her 30 days notice like her contract stipulates, or can she just run?
I really hope someone on here can help her because I don't know what she should do.... |
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afsjesse
Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
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First of all I'm sorry to hear about your friend, but there is good news! She CAN go to immigration and INSIST!!!! on an exit order. This will be a piece of paper that is put into her passport and automatically cancels her visa when she leaves the country... Japan if she's doing a visa run.
Only technical thing is does she have all of the new documents for another Visa? CBC, Health check, degree, transcripts etc.....
Good luck! |
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Jeff's Cigarettes
Joined: 27 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Well, she could always go home and get a real job I suppose. |
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jellobean
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: |
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If your friend doesn't have the documents she needs for a new job, she should hold out until she can get them together. Then she gives 30 days notice and looks for a new job. At the end of the 30 days, she leaves Korea for some nice warm place (Phillipenes and Thailand are cheap) to await her new visa issuance number. When she gets the new number she gets her new visa and comes back. (Some recruiters can manage to get you a new visa issuance number before you cancel the old one, some can't and you have to wait a few weeks for it.
If the boss fires her in the meantime, then she is automatically released. The LOR thing is only for transferring visas without leaving the country. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| If they fire her they need to cancel her contract and to do that they need to provide immigration with an LOR. |
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Countrygirl
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
Location: in the classroom
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| Jeff's Cigarettes wrote: |
| Well, she could always go home and get a real job I suppose. |
I've thought this before, but now I'm convinced....
You are Spliff.
Miss your old avatar. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| She should just push the issue, 'LEAVE ME ALONE OR FIRE ME RIGHT NOW" and if she gets fired, make sure it is writing. Take that dismissal notice to Immigration and maybe they'll release her from the visa. |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| hey, there's nothing wrong in teaching in China for a while, waiting for your old Korean work visa to expire! Sigh.. now to find a job back in Korea! |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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I thought I had read that the LOR was no longer a requirement? That's what Tompatz was posting recently.
Let the stupid director fire her. If he does, it's all that much easier. Personally, I'd tell him to take a flying leap. Do it in front of others, so he loses face. Tell him you no longer need a letter of release to get a job in Korea after you leave. |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Is your friend overweight, not-white, crippled or unattractive? Those are the only reasons i can see a K-boss of having some "hidden agenda" to get rid of a teacher. |
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Jeff's Cigarettes
Joined: 27 Mar 2007
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^ You forgot Nova Scotian...  |
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PigeonFart
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Some korean bosses can have the emotional maturity (and business sense) of a 5 year old. So there could be a million reasons why she has some "hidden agenda." Some bosses are just "kuntz" as the Germans say. |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Every place I worked, the Korean boss always had some agenda and would single out someone to destroy.
I guess to keep the other teachers on their toes or something. Who the hell knows with those idiots. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| ChinaBoy wrote: |
Every place I worked, the Korean boss always had some agenda and would single out someone to destroy.
I guess to keep the other teachers on their toes or something. Who the hell knows with those idiots. |
yeah, it's pretty much like that in a lot of places but more so here.
chances are she's actually much better than he imagined, the students like her, etc. and now she makes him look like a fool (in his mind). can't have that - the foreigner showing up the K jefe
tell her to please dry her tears, stop being so stressed out by this jerk, maybe even call in sick to take a rest!
if he fires her - which sounds like the best thing that could happen to her - she doesn't need an LOR - that's to change jobs when the teacher wants to leave before the contract is up -
BUT - he does need to provide either (1) written proof she's fired so she can provide that to immi OR (2) someone from the school can accompany her to immi and tells them her contract is finished and to cancel her visa
in the alternative, if he refuses both (1) and (2) but still says she's fired, she can go to immi herself and tell them, provide the school's number and they can call and verify. then if the school tries to say she quit (risking a black mark against her getting another visa right away) she's there to argue otherwise.
if they actually have it in the contract that no LOR is to be provided, well I'm sorry to say that was a very BIG RED FLAG about this school - so please do post the name of the school here afterwards - ok? the only reason a school would put that in the contract is because they KNOW there's going to be problems and people want to leave, duh! 
also the labor office doesn't really help if you're employed less than 6 months - BUT - if he gets violent towards her - she shouldn't hesitate to call them - or even go in person - but she'll have to call to find the local office for her area - 1350 anywhere in K
good luck and keep us posted! |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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| of course, when she tries to get a new job and they call this guy for a reference, that'll be the end of that |
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