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eIn07912



Joined: 06 Dec 2008
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: the romance is gone Reply with quote

ive been in korea for 2 years. Ive traveled a lot inside asia, but in my time here, I haven�t made a trip home yet. Not that I would enjoy that, I left home for a reason.

I just need some reassurance that every foreigner goes through this stage at some point during their stay in korea or anywhere abroad. I used to love seoul, now, I hate this place.

Im sick of the culture, the food, the people, the national state of mind, the attitude of k-girls, the incessant whining about japan and dokdo, the constant complaining over u.s. soldiers here, and if I hear one more negative western, especially american, stereotype, I just may lose it.

I cant stand my students. They r the most rude, undisciplined, spoiled rotten little brats on this planet. Moms don�t care how their children behave as long as they come home with A�s. I hate that the English program at my school (not hogwon) is always kicked around. I find it insulting how my boss, a woman who has never been a teacher or speaks English, is telling English speaking teachers how to do their job. As if because ur the principal this grants u some sort of special powers from god to make all the right decisions all the time.

I cant get a date. And when I do date im tired of being chastised for not speaking more Korean. Or after a week of dating, im expected to buy her lavish gifts and worship the ground she walks on. Respect is not something I just hand out to any and everyone. Its something u have to earn in my book. When a girl puts forth the effort, I�ll drop serious cash on her. And by effort, I don�t mean sex.

And I don�t want to rip on my brethren too much, but I can�t stand to see foreigners getting wasted every night of the week. Ur not in college anymore. Learn to control urself. If one more drunkard stumbles into me and then proceeds to curse me out because he was too drunk to see where he was going, I may seriously just push him into traffic.

And if I start a rant about the undeserving superiority that ajumma�s and ajushi�s feel just because they made it past 40, this post will never end. U do not deserve special treatment just because. U can not jump in front of me in line just because.

I used to believe that the negative attitude foreigners had here was just their own problem. Now I see. No matter how positive u try to be, no matter how accommodating u r, the resentment and overall bad taste in ur mouth this place leaves just gets beaten into u.

Am I alone on this? Is this just me being entirely too negative for this time of year?
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Hightop



Joined: 11 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When a girl puts forth the effort, I�ll drop serious cash on her. And by effort, I don�t mean sex


What do you mean then?
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RuffledFeathers



Joined: 16 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know this place had romance to begin with....
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mayorgc



Joined: 19 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I don't know how to respond exactly. I've only been here for a month (to the day), but I can see myself in your shoes in a year or two.
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why drop money on a girl? The trick is to make them think you have money to drop, and then get the sex. And then after the sex, you do some crying. They don't know what hit em. Maybe they run, maybe they call the cops. The thing to remember is, don't stop crying.
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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get out of Seoul for starters. Sounds like you've got some 'people' issues which may be reduced if you reduce the amount of time your exposed to them. Big cities usually have big attitude. I doubt Seoul is that different from western cities at the end of the day.

Time for a change my man.
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jindodog



Joined: 31 May 2007
Location: not seoul

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

korea's hard for most people sooner or later. their culture is super different and not designed to mix westerner's into it.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: the romance is gone Reply with quote

op, you've the ugliest username in dave's history. And you just joined. That said:

eIn07912 wrote:
I used to love seoul, now, I hate this place.

I've always hated Seoul. As do many Koreans here in rural Gyeongsangnamdo who badmouth that city and Seoulites in general.

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... the incessant whining about japan and dokdo, the constant complaining over u.s. soldiers here

In six years here I never heard even ONE Korean outside of the media and the classroom talk about Dokdo or complain about U.S. soldiers. But yeah, the whining about Japan often comes up in one form or another, sometimes subtle, but often there. I don't mind.

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I cant stand my students. They r the most rude, undisciplined, spoiled rotten little brats on this planet.

That's exactly how I feel about my one middle school aged class. But they ain't so little. The elementary school aged classes are all well behaved because I put the fear of god or buddha or ajumma or waygook into them a long time ago and they know who's boss in my classroom.

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I find it insulting how my boss, a woman who has never been a teacher or speaks English, is telling English speaking teachers how to do their job.

That would be insulting. I'd quit.

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I cant get a date. And when I do date im tired of being chastised for not speaking more Korean. Or after a week of dating, im expected to buy her lavish gifts and worship the ground she walks on.

Part of the reason I've only dated twice here and both times gladly didn't advance to first base even though I could have walked.

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And I don�t want to rip on my brethren too much, but I can�t stand to see foreigners getting wasted every night of the week.

Where? There are eight waygooks in town, two are married, one is an old guy who talks techie all the time, one's a south african who looks like pete sampras and runs off to seoul on the weekends, one avoids everyone, one i've never met and I get wasted at most once a week with a local korean friend and not even once a weekend with a waygook friend in another town.

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If one more drunkard stumbles into me and then proceeds to curse me out because he was too drunk to see where he was going, I may seriously just push him into traffic.

I did that. The ajossi just slapped that cow and stumbled away. (life in a rural town)

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And if I start a rant about the undeserving superiority that ajumma�s and ajushi�s feel just because they made it past 40, this post will never end. U do not deserve special treatment just because. U can not jump in front of me in line just because.

THIS I am in total agreement with you. Fortysomething Koreans... *beep*

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Am I alone on this? Is this just me being entirely too negative for this time of year?

I get some of what you're saying. As for time of year: time to book that winter vacation to some place warm and exotic outside the land of the morning calm. For me Guam, for you... Laos? Thailand? ...
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EzeWong



Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jkelly80 wrote:
Why drop money on a girl? The trick is to make them think you have money to drop, and then get the sex. And then after the sex, you do some crying. They don't know what hit em. Maybe they run, maybe they call the cops. The thing to remember is, don't stop crying.


This seriously is the glowiest gem I've seen today.

OP:
BS. Dos has some good advice. Doesn't sound like you're a city slicker at all. Sounds like you need some time to run in with some good ol' country folk. No matter where you are around the world, country folk will treat you right. They grill you up some grits and kimchi. Make you feel like home. That's what I'm told at least. Bit boring out in the boonies but the people there are less concerned with the issues you're voicing.

For women though, they're greedy. They're just like us. what do we want? Sex. What do they want? Sex, money, status, and whole lot of other things that can be explained through PMS and menstration. I don't think theres really any way to avoid the wining and dinning. Ergo why Jkellys advice is golden. I've actually heard this bit before, but upon further contemplation, is really a jewel, a great big SPARKLING Korea jewel.


Also, I don't think you're being too negative. Seasonal affect disorder. I think everyone is affected by the winter to some degree. Just the other day I PMSed like crazy because my ondol didn't work, I couldn't transfer my money to the bank, I had some strange cold, and because my heater wasn't working so I had to shave without water which left sun spot blotches all over my face before going to see a movie... Yeah, I almosted hated Korea at that point, but realized it wasn't Korea that was the problem. It was me. I was letting all this stuff bother me. Honestly, this stuff wouldn't bother someone else. aka. A real man. A real man isn't bothered by the small things. So I collected myself and forced me to Man up.

OP: Honestly, don't let these things bother you. I know it's hard. But look at this way. To always put things in perspective, I think about all the bad things that COULD happen to me. It sounds negative but it makes me realize how good I have it now. I like to think about people who have EBOLA. EBOLA is like the most goddamn scariest thing on this planet. Thank God everyday you don't have EBOLA. You bleed through every orfice of your body and the pain is excruitating and you basically liquify from the inside.

When things go bad, just think... at least I don't have EBOLA.
Sounds immature really, but it works. Try it right now. You have no idea how good you've lived life until you don't have EBOLA
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: the romance is gone Reply with quote

eIn07912 wrote:
ive been in korea for 2 years. Ive traveled a lot inside asia, but in my time here, I haven�t made a trip home yet. Not that I would enjoy that, I left home for a reason.

I just need some reassurance that every foreigner goes through this stage at some point during their stay in korea or anywhere abroad. I used to love seoul, now, I hate this place.

Im sick of the culture, the food, the people, the national state of mind, the attitude of k-girls, the incessant whining about japan and dokdo, the constant complaining over u.s. soldiers here, and if I hear one more negative western, especially american, stereotype, I just may lose it.

I cant stand my students. They r the most rude, undisciplined, spoiled rotten little brats on this planet. Moms don�t care how their children behave as long as they come home with A�s. I hate that the English program at my school (not hogwon) is always kicked around. I find it insulting how my boss, a woman who has never been a teacher or speaks English, is telling English speaking teachers how to do their job. As if because ur the principal this grants u some sort of special powers from god to make all the right decisions all the time.

I cant get a date. And when I do date im tired of being chastised for not speaking more Korean. Or after a week of dating, im expected to buy her lavish gifts and worship the ground she walks on. Respect is not something I just hand out to any and everyone. Its something u have to earn in my book. When a girl puts forth the effort, I�ll drop serious cash on her. And by effort, I don�t mean sex.

And I don�t want to rip on my brethren too much, but I can�t stand to see foreigners getting wasted every night of the week. Ur not in college anymore. Learn to control urself. If one more drunkard stumbles into me and then proceeds to curse me out because he was too drunk to see where he was going, I may seriously just push him into traffic.

And if I start a rant about the undeserving superiority that ajumma�s and ajushi�s feel just because they made it past 40, this post will never end. U do not deserve special treatment just because. U can not jump in front of me in line just because.

I used to believe that the negative attitude foreigners had here was just their own problem. Now I see. No matter how positive u try to be, no matter how accommodating u r, the resentment and overall bad taste in ur mouth this place leaves just gets beaten into u.

Am I alone on this? Is this just me being entirely too negative for this time of year?


It`s the holiday period and the lack of sunshine. You`re not alone.
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ernie



Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: asdfghjk

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe you have EBOLA.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm.. interesting.

I'm feeling more annoyed with things "Korean" this week than probably any other week since I've come.

I don't think it's the holiday season, I don't especially care for those at home.

time of year may be a part of it, though with temps the way they've been the last 2 days, winter is a breeze here so far.

all I know is I'm looking forward to my Filipino winter vacation.

it won't be "sparkling", but my mood will inevitably turn sparkling the moment the plane lifts off the ground.

maybe there's something in the waygook air Smile
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Chet Wautlands



Joined: 11 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jkelly80 wrote:
Why drop money on a girl? The trick is to make them think you have money to drop, and then get the sex. And then after the sex, you do some crying. They don't know what hit em. Maybe they run, maybe they call the cops. The thing to remember is, don't stop crying.


I don't know what kind of sick, messed up person I am for not having thought of this!!
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Illysook



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While dating here is a rather depressing idea, whom are you choosing to ask on said dates? There are plenty of lonely esl teachers here and not ALL of them are seriously overweight...and you don't have to commit to more than one date at a time, so if you don't hit it off, no worries.
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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are plenty of lonely esl teachers here and not ALL of them are seriously overweight...and you don't have to commit to more than one date at a time, so if you don't hit it off, no worries.


Sounds perfect. Can you make it round for about 8ish?
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