Korean Job Discussion Forums

[husky]

Does anybody have any experience of this company. A friend of mine is getting involved with them and suggested it had to do with pyramid selling.

She was sketchy on the details which makes me more suspicious. HAs anyone heard about this company?

Pyramid selling wrong. I can't support that idea.

[RACETRAITOR]

Amway is to pyramid schemes the way Walmart is to box stores. If your friend knows it's a pyramid scheme, why is she getting involved?

I'm sure Amway made a couple billionaires when it was first introduced to this country. It seems like the sort of idea that the average Korean would get really excited about.

[Ukon]

Yes, it's a pyramid scam...do some research on line, print out some stuff and give it to her.....people who are sold on these things can be hard to convince.

Although it would be interesting to see how well you could sell the stuff as a white foreigner here....it's pretty hard in the US because it's overpriced....of course the goal is to sell membership....and coincidently your first task is to buy $300 worth of stuff to sell and your encouraged to attend some seminar with $40 tickets.

[Ukon]

[Seoul'n'Corea]

[victorology]

Amway has had a presence in Korea for years.

I think the only reason why anyone should ever join Amway is if they like some of the products. If you want to be rich or even supplement your income by joining, I wouldn't do it. I know people who actually like some of their products including their cosmetics.

I had a cousin who wasted over a year and a lot of money in Amway. Actually, it was known as Quixtar when he was part of it. I like to give him a good ribbing on how brainwashed he used to be. I went to one of their presentations/meetings to support him and it seemed like some sort of cult.

One friend who was in it asked if he could hold a presentation at my friends house. His friend lived in a house with sweeping ocean views. It was all part of an illusion to make people think Amway bought the house. In reality, it wasn't even the presenters home.

[RACETRAITOR]

[sarbonn]

I hate Amway with a passion. Twice now, I've been hookwinked into attending one of their presenations, believing it was something other than what the people reported. The second time, I even asked straight out, "Is this Amway" when some of the minor details were being discussed, but not enough details to really give it away, and I was told "no". Then I am driven to this "meeting" and sure enough, it's Amway. I was so pissed off as I had actually taken time out of my weekend to attend that meeting, having been told it was actually a recruitment for an actual full time job in my field. That whole room of people is lucky it is still alive today.

[victorology]

[sojourner1]

Oh man, I can't count how many times I've been led on to believe I was interviewing for a job and it ends up being a multilevel marketing scheme on commission or some securities and insurance sales on commission out of some tiny nameless little office. Anyone trying to deceive you using a tiny unlabled office is to be avoided as they won't pay you and might get you in trouble.

At home, I found most recruiting attempts at college graduates centered around selling overpriced products or selling a scam or getting into a multilevel marketing scheme instead of offering real jobs with good pay and benefits. It was so disappointing to go through all these bait and switch job interviewing situations. It's obvious if they're inviting you to a hotel, but not so obvious if it's an office in a business center you're to go to at a certain time. I've seen it where they tell you to be at their office at 2:09PM to see how well you are led on. That was a Kirby dealership testing me like that. Kirby is shit due to scamming dealerships that don't pay the sales people. When you're brought into a scheme offering products that sell such as cars, vacuums, or eletronics, you usually get taken for your time, efforts, and money.

Finally, 3 years ago, a legitimate highly reputable mortgage broker in an upscale business community offered what seemed like a legit job with an honest statement that if I can make it happen on the phone, I got my $50,000 to $300,000 a year job. It provided a nice corner office, a fully equipped big desk, $8/hour base pay, healthy commissions, on going training, and sponsorship for professional licenses. It was January 06' and the mortgage industry was tanking for loan officers due to rising interest rates and everyone having already recently refinanced and tapped out their equity. This might had been a good job had the home loan business environment been dynamite (or at least stable and consistent) like it was more than 5 years ago, but they hired me to telemarket as an attempt to drum up applications for a decreasing pool of loan officers while I was to become a loan officer after 6 months and bring a new telemarketer in. Our credit qualifications were competitive too as we were premium resulting in only 1 out of 50 applications qualifying. This is after you have drummed out name, SS#, birthdate, employer, how much they make a year, what their spouse does and makes, how long they've been doing this and that, and all the details. You're good if you can call strangers and get all that info about 1 time for every 50 calls. When I started, there were 10 loan officers in the branch and when I quit 6 months later, there were only 2 with the president announcing all 7 locations would be consolidated and my office was to be a file storage room. How disappointing the economy has been in recent years for those trying to get a start at a career.

If you want a job in the business career or in finance, you have to create it yourself in this day and age as it's not an environment full of good employers offering good jobs nor is the economic environment good. It seems best to be a well paid engineer or doctor and then go into business late in your career. Only if I knew this 10 years ago. Most self employed didn't jump in the presidents chair upon college graduation, they worked a good paying job for many years to save up money to invest. It takes money and credit to start a company. Knowledge is one thing; financing a venture is another.

[prideofidaho]

Cutco anyone? They make good knives, but any place that holds group interviews where everyone gets the job raises a suspicious eyebrow.

[husky]

My friend is one of those weak minded individuals who would get sucked into some scheme like this, that's why I'm worried.

She only mentioned it to me today, and getting information out of her has been somewhat difficult. When I ask her about it all she says is 'I don't know', 'I don't know why I'm going', 'it's my friend whose doing it' blah blah blah blah. SHe is obviously lying, or at least not telling the whole truth. That makes me angry.

She is getting up at 5 in the morning to go to some Amway meeting in Busan, but she doesn't 'know' anything about it.

Sometimes I want to crack her head against a brick wall.

[victorology]

[mindmetoo]

Yeah, it's a straight up pyramid scheme. They do enough soft shoeing to keep it legal. But at the end of the day, it's about selling new memberships, not selling product to people. I believe the deal is you need to sell x amount a month to keep your place in the pyramid. And by "sell" I mean you need to buy x amount and try and sell it that month. Most people end up just buying $50 of crap every month and storing it in their basement to keep being part of the chain.

Amway of course gives the rube all the quips to counter criticism. "You're just a loser that will amount to nothing!" etc.

But the stats reveal themselves. The law has forced amway to publish stats. Few people ever make a profit. Most lose.

But the current rube knows he/she will be different.

[Straphanger]

Amway isn't your average MLM. I come from very close to Amway's breadbasket. I know several people who are members. All of them are people who are union members, teachers, housewife book clubbers, or volunteers of some kind who found a group of half a dozen or so people who said "I like Amway products and I would buy them if they weren't so damned expensive." So they get one person to join Amway and they all buy their quota of cruft every month. It's all happy.

I've never been suckered into a meeting with them and I don't know anyone who has. I just see housewares, pots and pans, soap, whatever, and I go 'hay, this is nice, where'd you get it?' and they're like 'Amway! I can get you shit if you want it, but if you want a lot of shit you should join, and I can do that too, let me know.' I bought a frypan for my mom one year off them as a gift. Nobody I know has ever gotten rich off it, but nobody has lost their shirt either.