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To those who went home after a long time in Korea
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: To those who went home after a long time in Korea Reply with quote

To those long timers who have gone home, I have a question as to what they found most difficult about moving back into your country?

What was the approximate cost to you of getting a place to live? Finding a new job? and purchasing all that you needed to begin your life a new back home?

How long did it take you to find work? How much time did you allocate yourself to just getting used to being back home before re-entering the job market?

I am going home after a number of years in Korea and apart from expecting culture shock with going back, I am curious as to how difficult or costly it was for those long termers to get back into the groove back home.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few views, but no answers to my questions. I guess those who have gone home dont visit this site as often as many people accuse them of.

Anyway, if anyone does have any information on difficulties encountered going back home after time in Korea, I would like a heads up. Especially those from down under or the UK.
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xingyiman



Joined: 12 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
A few views, but no answers to my questions. I guess those who have gone home dont visit this site as often as many people accuse them of.

Anyway, if anyone does have any information on difficulties encountered going back home after time in Korea, I would like a heads up. Especially those from down under or the UK.


All those people eventually gave up looking for jobs and came back to Korea. Laughing
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:25 pm    Post subject: no time Reply with quote

Well you are the impatient one.
You only gave a few minutes and then jump to the conclusion that no-one answers your thread.

In UK (Glasgow anyway) the culture shock is one of seeing so many fat people, people that smell, chavs aka neds, knowing it's not safe to walk the street at night and high, high prices.

Work wise, how does working in a fast food restaurant asking ppl what kind of burger they want sound?
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Work wise, how does working in a fast food restaurant asking ppl what kind of burger they want sound?


Sounds great. How much are you offering?

Also depends on what fast food restaurant it is and what are the long term benefits.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Re: To those who went home after a long time in Korea Reply with quote

I went back twice.

Once to New York City. That was great, all the cool stuff I lived about Seoul, but a large mix of significiantly different people. Found a job quickly and was well-paid as well. Since they have great public transportation, I didn't have to get a car or have any large initial expenses. Easy transition, and I stayed there for 2 1/2 years.

Second time I moved back and went to San Francisco. Unlike NYC, the public transporation sucked, and everything was overpriced. The city of SF discourages cars, but has few viable other options, so when I wasn't constantly paying for overpriced parking, I was getting my car quickly towed for the many meters that only had short-time parking. Most of my time was spent looking for parking, and worrying about it expiring. The job market at that time was a mess, just post 9-11, and everyone was overqualified for everything. I lasted about about a year, and said this was enough, I gotta get out-of-debt from this debacle of moving 'back home'.

In short, New York City was a BREEZE, San Francisco was NOT. I think SF didn't work because public transportation sucks and they discourage cars. I really think you have to be in one or the other. Either a NYC or Chicago where public transportation works! Or you gotta go to a car-oriented city and can park and use free parking lots everywhere and a much cheaper cost-of-living for rent, etc.
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Jandar



Joined: 11 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going back in March.

I've been here 2 years.

I expect when I get home I'll be able to stand up in my shower,
there will be heat in my bathroom,
my butt will not get frozen to the toilet seat.

Seriously, my adjustment should go well.
I own my own home (no mortgage) in Florida.
I expect to be accepted onto the Substitute Teacher
roster in my home county.
I will be studying for Certification in Florida.

If this doesn't work out I'll be posting details here.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was home for about 3 months a couple of years ago.

interestingly, the hardest thing for me to adapt to was counting money - I just couldn't get used to seeing American dollars again - and the coins - it was also kinda hard because I'd traveled for about 2 months after leaving K - to various countries -and so was still converting in my mind even tho I didn't have to any more.

people thought I was stupid or something because I'd be holding up the line while I counted out my change - sometimes alittle slowly. then I'd hand it to the clerk and apologize saying I'd been living overseas for a while - they'd start asking questions and they always thought I was in the military for some reason. hmmm, never figured that one out. Shocked

anyway, it'll be good to get home - wait and see. I'm looking forward to it myself, in about 5 months now Laughing
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: To those who went home after a long time in Korea Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:

Second time I moved back and went to San Francisco. Unlike NYC, the public transporation sucked, and everything was overpriced.


I'll actually be relocating to SF. how long ago were you there? friends there now say public trans is pretty good.

I've fearful of the expense tho because I've heard tales.

any other comments about SF? how about job prospects? (part time) I also lived in nyc - jobs there are plentiful. I'm finishing my mfa there so I won't be able to work full time.

pm me if you want. I want to know more! thanks!
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Gimpokid



Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:


people thought I was stupid or something because I'd be holding up the line while I counted out my change - sometimes alittle slowly. then I'd hand it to the clerk and apologize saying I'd been living overseas for a while - they'd start asking questions and they always thought I was in the military for some reason. hmmm, never figured that one out. Shocked


Going to college in Oregon and then living abroad and going back to CA, I found it very hard to calculate sales tax.
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Gimpokid



Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:34 am    Post subject: Re: To those who went home after a long time in Korea Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:

Second time I moved back and went to San Francisco. Unlike NYC, the public transporation sucked, and everything was overpriced.


I'll actually be relocating to SF. how long ago were you there? friends there now say public trans is pretty good.

I've fearful of the expense tho because I've heard tales.


It's not good. Coming from SK, San Francisco transport will be a nightmare. I will never drive a car in Bay Area again.

It's pretty spendy too, rent is just brutal.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: To those who went home after a long time in Korea Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:

Second time I moved back and went to San Francisco. Unlike NYC, the public transporation sucked, and everything was overpriced.


I'll actually be relocating to SF. how long ago were you there? friends there now say public trans is pretty good.

I've fearful of the expense tho because I've heard tales.

any other comments about SF? how about job prospects? (part time) I also lived in nyc - jobs there are plentiful. I'm finishing my mfa there so I won't be able to work full time.

pm me if you want. I want to know more! thanks!

If you lived in NYC, you will equally find public transporation abysmal. I made the mistake of living in Marin County and had to pay $5 everytime I went across the SF Gate Bridge...which certainly adds up quickly. (I moved from there a.s.a.p.) Throughout the city, you will see legions of cars just going around blocks all day long looking for someone to get into their car. While there is the BART train system, it royally sucks. There are separate lines, and ifyou live in say Oakland, it'll cost you $4 or so to go one-way over there. Plus you can't just transfer easily like in NYC. Later I moved to other locations, but parking was always a problem. I did try to use buses and such, but it isn't like NYC whatsoever and their very extensive subway system whatsoever.

JOBS. I went through many temp jobs, as everyone was overqualified and going way down below what they were qualified to do. I was there for mostly the entire year of 2002 (jan-dec) more or less...and since it was post 9-11, things were a mess.

Apartments were completely unreasonable. I looked around everywhere, and ultimately found a 4-bedroom apartment with 3 roommates and my rent was $600/month for one of those rooms, which was a bargain! Most others in the Bay Area were very envious of that. I searched for ANYTHING more affordable throughout the entire Bay Area, but there wasn't anything anywhere. Not even if you drive out for an hour away. It's just not possible. Most people pay much much more than me for a roommate situations.

Maybe your situation will be different as you'll be on a campus, perhaps in housing situation, and perhaps there won't be much of a reason to take buses, etc. if you have something you are doing already. SF is a cool city, but the Asian presense isn't as visible as I'd hoped (although it is everywhere at the same time).

The scene in SF is basically 3 very specific scenes. The gay scene around Castro which is a very strong scene throughout the city. Then the hippy-Haight Street area where every aging hippy in the world will try to sell you something. Then you got North Beach which is incredibly YUPPIE to the extreme. The rest is kind of tourist scene...there is also Castro and Tenderloin which are very sketchy but perhaps the more interesting. But the two latter more interesting areas are not exactly comfortable like most of Manhattan always seemed to me.

I did like many things about SF...well, if it wasn't so expensive, I would have loved many aspects of it. I still think it is one of the best cities in the U.S., but living in NYC was significantly better on every level except the weather and except for the fact that NY isn't CA.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jandar wrote:
I'm going back in March.

I've been here 2 years.

I expect when I get home I'll be able to stand up in my shower,
there will be heat in my bathroom,
my butt will not get frozen to the toilet seat.

Seriously, my adjustment should go well.
I own my own home (no mortgage) in Florida.
I expect to be accepted onto the Substitute Teacher
roster in my home county.
I will be studying for Certification in Florida.

If this doesn't work out I'll be posting details here.


Two years is nothing in Korea. I think seven or more years is what I'd consider a long time (I'm going on 14).

I tried life again in the United States, and I thought Los Angeles would be a good choice (I had two friends there and had always wanted to live out West). Well, at the end of two years, I'd blown more than 20,000 bucks, the two "friends" I no longer talked to, and I vowed never to live in the United States again.

My biggest gripes were: inconvenient transportation if you don't live in NYC; cost of living higher than I thought especially because of the car; crimes that you didn't have to worry about in Korea (assault, guns, carjacking); DISGUSTING OBESITY (gosh, Americans are MOO FAT); routine and mundane life; and the list went on and on.
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teachteach



Joined: 26 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I decided to by-pass the job market and go back to school. Got my pilot ratings and settled into a low-paying yet extremely satisfying second officer job.
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soviet_man



Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't understand the attaction of anyone wanting to live in a western country (any of them) - unless it is for strictly family reasons.

There is little incentive to go back to a country in recession, where you will have to be a mortgage slave for 30+ years to pay off a pile of overpriced bricks and concrete, be slugged huge taxes, be gouged on gas, have to protect your home with iron bars on every window, probably have insuffient healthcare, and labor away for the next 5 decades under increasingly poor workplace laws.

So it is not just "culture shock" >>> it will be the shock of living in a society that just doesn't "get" human/social capital.

The best case scenario is go home, buy an investment property, positively-gear it, rent it out, then return overseas.
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