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Are all SMOE jobs really full?
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crabstix



Joined: 14 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Are all SMOE jobs really full? Reply with quote

hi

I saw this on the job board

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=34998

It states that all SMOE jobs are full now. Is this really the case?

If so, what is the likelyhood of getting a job? Does that mean that the only chance of a job with SMOE is if someone breaks their contract or gets sick of their job and walks out?

Also I'd like to know if SMOE ONLY finds jobs for teachers in Seoul or do they also cover the areas surrounding Seoul.
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johnny_larue



Joined: 09 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the jobs are filling up because of the recession in North America. I might sound like a broken record promoting the Incheon school board, but four months in I am pretty happy.

You might give Incheon a try, it's close to Seoul.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they may be full right now, but i'm betting there will be more than a few people who drop out at the last minute. you might want to try again closer to march
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jay-shi



Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: On tour

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnny_larue wrote:
You might give Incheon a try, it's close to Seoul.


Please copyright this gem and sell it to Incheon city/metropolitan area government. Idea
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnny_larue wrote:
Maybe the jobs are filling up because of the recession in North America. I might sound like a broken record promoting the Incheon school board, but four months in I am pretty happy.

You might give Incheon a try, it's close to Seoul.


shhh
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear a lot of teachers are re-singing this year. On top of that, they just hired like 400 teachers in August for the "1 native teacher in every school" push.

From what I understand, August is when all the schools claimed to have 1 Native teacher.

So, the only vacancies now are people who choose not to renew their contract, and those that ran.
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eurasian76



Joined: 09 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a recruiter just called me and asked me about applying for an SMOE position starting end Feb so I guess they`re still available
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No!

This issue comes up every semester, and it is false for two reasons:

1. Each recruiter is allotted only a certain number of positions. If one says they're full, try another recruiter. They have merely filled the small number of positions they were allowed.

2. When it becomes too late to hire (past a certain date) for upcoming positions, the recruiters will tell you they are all full so you will consider their shitty hagwon offers as the only choice left rather than wait. Once again, call around to other recruiters and look for open public school positions. If they are past the allowed hiring date, then wait a month or three until the next hiring period begins. That, or become a hagwon slave.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
No!

This issue comes up every semester, and it is false for two reasons:

1. Each recruiter is allotted only a certain number of positions. If one says they're full, try another recruiter. They have merely filled the small number of positions they were allowed.

2. When it becomes too late to hire (past a certain date) for upcoming positions, the recruiters will tell you they are all full so you will consider their shitty hagwon offers as the only choice left rather than wait. Once again, call around to other recruiters and look for open public school positions. If they are past the allowed hiring date, then wait a month or three until the next hiring period begins. That, or become a hagwon slave.


This is true.

SMOE also has a policy about not applying for a SMOE job through more than 1 recruiter. If you take BE's advice, be very clear with your recruiter about whether or not they actually submitted an application to SMOE or not.
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Aussiekimchi



Joined: 21 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wrong!
Recruiting companies are not allocated a number of positions for SMOE. It is a free for all until all positions are filled.

At the moment, SMOE are NOT taking any new applications. Their waiting list is also full. Even their training centre out in Gapyeong is full!
Just yesterday we tried to get an applicant in. No dice. They did not even want us to send the application form.

I guess 1.8MIL - 2.0MIL in Seoul is still fancied by some.


There will be dropouts in January/February you would think. So one can only assume that SMOE will be asking for applications again at that time.

But for the moment, they are full.
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aussiekimchi wrote:
wrong!
Recruiting companies are not allocated a number of positions for SMOE. It is a free for all until all positions are filled.

At the moment, SMOE are NOT taking any new applications. Their waiting list is also full. Even their training centre out in Gapyeong is full!
Just yesterday we tried to get an applicant in. No dice. They did not even want us to send the application form.

I guess 1.8MIL - 2.0MIL in Seoul is still fancied by some.


There will be dropouts in January/February you would think. So one can only assume that SMOE will be asking for applications again at that time.

But for the moment, they are full.



Not sure about any of that... But I know 3 people who were offered jobs with SMOE last week... And my gf's application is currently in process waiting for an interview time (she submitted it last week as well...)
Weekend rush? lol
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aussiekimchi wrote:
wrong!
Recruiting companies are not allocated a number of positions for SMOE. It is a free for all until all positions are filled.

At the moment, SMOE are NOT taking any new applications. Their waiting list is also full. Even their training centre out in Gapyeong is full!
Just yesterday we tried to get an applicant in. No dice. They did not even want us to send the application form.

I guess 1.8MIL - 2.0MIL in Seoul is still fancied by some.


There will be dropouts in January/February you would think. So one can only assume that SMOE will be asking for applications again at that time.

But for the moment, they are full.


Oh, so you're saying you no longer have to pre-purchase your allotment of open spots? Are they doing things differently now?


As the other poster above me shows, and as I mentioned, "full" does not really mean "full."

It merely means that they are no longer hiring until the next hiring round (or that recruiter is not being allowed to send anymore in -- no difference). It in no way means they actually filled all of the positions. Just don't settle for a shit hagwon job if you can wait. The next hiring time will be coming up in a while. You'll hear that "all positions are full" bullshit from recruiters, and even SMOE, then you'll see an article in the newspaper about how they were still 150 teachers short last semester. I've seen it happen semester after semester, as have others. Bullshit artists are everywhere -- especially when they are gov't officials who want to impress.

The moral of the story is, NEVER believe a recruiter who says they're full -- full is the wrong word. When hiring, they are desperate. They just aren't hiring. Don't send them your information. Just ask first. If they positions you want are not available, or supposedly "full", then move on to another recruiter or wait.

Check around. You'll find (as another poster above mentioned) that things in Korea which are supposedly impossible are often possible.

Take a look at the koreaherald job board postings today, and tell me they are all full. (but be sure that they are all legit schools and not hagwons -- never seen more than 2 or 3 teachers at a public school, and usually 1. Some of those seem like hagwons).

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/newkhcommunity/job_index.asp
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Aussiekimchi



Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Location: SYDNEY

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pre purchasing positions? ...Seriously? ...that is what you think happens?

Anyway, as far as I know, SMOE are full. Maybe they are just saying that to my company, maybe they really are full. Maybe they don't want our applicants. Who knows with these people?

Egrog:
There are some people still having interviews, but I can only assume they have had their stage 1 docs in for a while and their interviews dates are just coming around. We had a guy interviewed this week too, but his docs had been in for a while.
It is the new applications they are not taking until late January when they have a good idea of how many dropouts they have.

If you are deadset keen on working for SMOE, send your application to every recruiter that deals with them.
If you are awarded an interview then you have left no stone unturned and you have gotten what you want.

But this is what SMOE have told us:
They don't want anymore application forms until after Jan 31st.
This is the date the applicants whom already have had their interviews and have been offered positions have to get docs in.
After that date, they lose their position. That is when waiting list applicants are given the chance.

So email a few recruiters. Find out from them if they will take your applications and how long it will be before you can get an interview. I would love to know if it was just us getting shunned.

Maybe they have favourite recruiters that they allocate positions to. Maybe they are telling the new companies dealing with them for the first time in 08 that they are full to bulk up the older companies..I dunno..all you can do is ask around.

But don't ask us, I even took the SMOE jobs off the site.
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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is EPIK filling up like SMOE these days?
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Aussiekimchi



Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Location: SYDNEY

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With 652 positions available, it is a bit of a bottomless pit. Can't see them filling their jobs.
Exchange rates would have to dramatically improve or salaries would simply have to go up for that many people to get off a plane at Incheon Airport.
The thing about these public school jobs though....they always fill. 2009 will be their biggest challenge to date though.
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