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cazador83
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
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 Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: Hagwon displaying Alien Registration Card numbers... |
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I noticed that my hagwon has put up a formal looking document on display in our front lobby, that has all of the teachers' names, birthdates, and our Alien Registration Card numbers for anyone to look at.
The director says they have to put it up, but it just seems a bit strange. Couldn't someone use that information for identity theft or something else? Is it legal for them to display all of our private information like that? |
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AussieGav
Joined: 02 Sep 2007
Location: Uijeongbu
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Tht doesnt sound like a good thing. ARC numbers are personal ID numbers, as you mention, and could be used for all sorts of things. Maybe you should contact the immi office and confirm with them. I would not want mine made public that's for sure. |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| My boss has the same thing displayed, but the numbers after the dash are covered with paper so no one can see them, but they're still on the form. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Hagwon displaying Alien Registration Card numbers... |
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| cazador83 wrote: |
I noticed that my hagwon has put up a formal looking document on display in our front lobby, that has all of the teachers' names, birthdates, and our Alien Registration Card numbers for anyone to look at.
The director says they have to put it up, but it just seems a bit strange. Couldn't someone use that information for identity theft or something else? Is it legal for them to display all of our private information like that? |
Maybe. Call Immigration and ask if it is legal to display these numbers. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: |
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I've never heard of this before. I doubt that it is legal.
However, at public schools, I have been told that our salaries are accessible to the public. Many finally they won't think that I am rich. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Seriously? Jesus, the more I read this Korean forum the more I can't understand why anyone would want to work there. The money situation is crap nowadays and I don't think it was ever signifcantly better than in Japan.
In Japan there is absolutely NONE of the shit going on that you guys over there have to put up with.
Eleven month firings, drug tests, getting ripped off left and right, beef protests, mad cow protests, having your gf's spit on by ignorant locals, non-paid winter/summer camps, threat of imprisonment for defending yourself if attacked...
Where the hell does it all end? Now they are putting up your I.D card for anyone to see and telling you that they have to do it?
First of all it is either one of two things. Legally they are required to do so, akin to some kind of yellow star program, or you boss is plain disrespecting you in some kind of pathetic attempt to set his school apart from others.
If some random kroean on the street demanded to see your foreign ID card you would slap them silly.
It is truly unfathomable. I can't understand why anyone would put up with it. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| Who cares? Just ignore it. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: Re: Hagwon displaying Alien Registration Card numbers... |
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| cazador83 wrote: |
I noticed that my hagwon has put up a formal looking document on display in our front lobby, that has all of the teachers' names, birthdates, and our Alien Registration Card numbers for anyone to look at.
The director says they have to put it up, but it just seems a bit strange. Couldn't someone use that information for identity theft or something else? Is it legal for them to display all of our private information like that? |
Your director is a shady liar. I get so tired of that excuse every time they tell us to do something..."but it's Korean law"...Yeah right. We have to punch a silly time clock now, because we were told it is 'Korean law". I bet it is. Just like I bet a pink elephant is coming to my house for dinner tonight.  |
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joshuahirtle27
Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| Aside from not paying my pension, my boss seems pretty law abiding. I didn't see any papers displaying my ARC # at school. If I did see it I'd tear it down and refuse to work another day until they agreed to piss off. There's no way it's legal to display someone's government issued ID. I could see if immigration wanted to make sure we all had our papers but there's no reason for any private citizen should have access to that information. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| I think the number display is for any governemt official that comes a prying or puhsy parent that wants to see if the school has legit teachers. My advice is to at least have the ARC number covered or censored in some way. This is probally like displaying a business license. |
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joshuahirtle27
Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| I think the number display is for any [government] official that comes a prying or [pushy] parent that wants to see if the school has legit teachers. My advice is to at least have the ARC number covered or censored in some way. This is [probably] like displaying a business license. |
The government can always ask the boss to intercept the teachers and have them flash their cards. My boss photocopied my ARC for this purpose (we even go inspected one day and I had lost mine so I was glad for that). As for parents; they really don't need to know that. I know some of us are here "working" but for the most part most of us are here legally. It's not something a private citizen who's not affiliated with the school needs to know. |
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Donghae
Joined: 24 Dec 2003
Location: Fukuoka, Japan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
In Japan there is absolutely NONE of the shit going on that you guys over there have to put up with.
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That's a really bizarre thing to say - as if you know what kind of experience every other ESLer in Japan has had. You may well have been ok throughout your time in Japan, and FWIW I've been fairly blessed in my time in Japan too, but similar crap to what people complain about on this board in Korea does happen to some people in Japan. It's undoubtedly talked about less on the internet, but that's largely because no ESL site in Japan has anything like the kind of traffic this board has. And it probably does happen less to fewer people with Japan's entry level ESL market being smaller.
But a not insignificant number of people get shafted here in Japan too and to suggest there's "none" of that happening is idiotic. In my time here (about a decade) I've known of people fired in dodgy circumstances, not paid, denied legally required health insurance, ripped off for accommodation, even sexually harassed - all cases I knew of personally, not just read on an internet site - and, same as in Korea, the authorities tend not to take the foreigner's side.
It's fair to say there are a number of ways in which foreigners teaching ESL in Japan are better off than in Korea, visa regulations for teachers without spousal or family connections being the most obvious legal/official one.
But your above comment is all the more ironic given that this thread concerns the Alien Registration Card. Because the ARC is one aspect in which foreigners in Japan are actually much worse off than in Korea. Korea's requirement for foreigners to have an ARC isn't really much more than what it requires of its own citizens. Their citizens' card has the same 13 digit citizenship number type thing, and other than a couple of bits about visa status, pretty much the same info as a foreigner's ARC. In Japan, it's quite different. For a start, Japan only requires such an ID be carried by foreigners, not by its own citizens. Also, the Japanese ARC has a lot more private information on it - your passport number, your head of household where you live, your job, your employers name and address, even your home town! There are lots of situations where you have to show all of this to people you probably don't want knowing all that. There are even occasions when Japanese employers take a photocopy of your ARC and (either accidentally or deliberately) allow it to be seen by others, whose business it is none - very similar to the case the OP has brought up here. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| joshuahirtle27 wrote: |
| Aside from not paying my pension, my boss seems pretty law abiding. |
Gee... if someone from back home screwed me out of over $1,000, I could think of a lot of other terms to call him than "law abiding." |
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flint
Joined: 11 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| joshuahirtle27 wrote: |
| Aside from not paying my pension, my boss seems pretty law abiding. |
It is kind of sad when the best thing you can say about an employer is that he only cheats you a little. |
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Donghae
Joined: 24 Dec 2003
Location: Fukuoka, Japan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| joshuahirtle27 wrote: |
| Aside from not paying my pension, my boss seems pretty law abiding. |
Gee... if someone from back home screwed me out of over $1,000, I could think of a lot of other terms to call him than "law abiding." |
Totally agree about the appropriacy of "law-abiding" here.
But is he really being screwed out of that money? I presume from the above comment about it that if the boss isn't paying his own share of the pension, then he isn't taking it out of the teacher's paycheck either. So this guy's only being cheated out of a potential refund of money that he's not actually paying in the first place, no? Furthermore, isn't that refund only available to certain nationalities? |
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