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fortysixyou

Joined: 08 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: Married Guys: Did Your Korean Wife Change Her Name? |
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.....or your Thai, Chinese, Japanese, Filipina, Vietnamese, Laotian, Burmese, or any other type of Asian wife?
Call me old-fashioned, but if I marry my girlfriend, she ought to take my last name.
Not just because it's western culture. I think it makes for a stronger couple and better relationship.
And just like I would be accepting her culture and adhering to Korean marital norms; her taking my name would show that she accepts my culture and is not ashamed to be married to a foreigner (in a land where women are generally made to feel so).
What about you, married guys? What are your opinions and experiences on this?
If my wife refused to change her name, wouldn't that be the same as me refusing to spend Solnal and Chuseok with her family...or something?
Marital expectations and what not? |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Ha! Funny you mention it. I was addressing our Christmas cards, and didn't quite know what to put on the return address. She didn't change her name, but then again, I never asked her to. It's something we need to chat about. We just never bothered. |
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whatever

Joined: 11 Jun 2006 Location: Korea: More fun than jail.
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Interesting point, comparing the holidays. Part of me is inclined to agree with you, on some level. I'm in a similar situation...engaged. I've already decided to not ask her to. I don't even especially like my own surname... And hey, my mother, grandmothers, great-grandmothers, etc. all had their own names, and I'm no less proud of those identities. Honestly, if it wouldn't piss off my dad, I'd seriously consider swapping my mother's name for his...way cooler sounding.
Moreover, she ought to hold onto her own family identity, unless she chooses otherwise. At least that's my own opinion. Even if we're blessed with children, which I hope to be the case, I don't think it's really that important whose name they bear. Maybe there's a clever way to incorporate both, who knows...
Good luck to you~ |
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theholyinnocent
Joined: 06 Apr 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Married Guys: Did Your Korean Wife Change Her Name? |
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fortysixyou wrote: |
If my wife refused to change her name, wouldn't that be the same as me refusing to spend Solnal and Chuseok with her family...or something? |
I don't think so. I mean, there's a reason we spend important days with family -- it's because it's a sharing of time. You can argue that there's a reason that we change names -- to stabilize the relationship, etc, and I won't get into a debate on those points -- but then the argument just becomes: what is the reason that the woman must change her name? Why "ought" she be the one to change her name? Why not him?
For a more appropriate holiday-time analogy, I'd say it's like deciding which family to spend Christmas with, in your stereotypical western relationship. It depends on a lot of things that are unique to each relationship. There's no set rule that makes sense for having a couple spend Christmas with the husband's family over the wife's, etc -- it's something that you need to figure out in each situation. It depends on how strongly each person feels about their family, how close you live to each family, how much time is spent with each family during non-holiday times, how many other holidays are spent with which family, what compromises each spouse is making on other issues, etc.
Personally, I will never change my name. I've explained this to my boyfriend. I'm one of three girls born to an only son born to an only son, and I've known for a long time that while I may be the last generation in my family to bear our name, I at least can avoid voluntarily giving my name up in favor of someone else's. At first my boyfriend was a dick about it but honestly, I think it's kind of shitty for someone who grew up as a male with two brothers to act like your name should mean nothing. Like, easy for you to say, you've never had to consider giving it up. My family's name has a lot of history and a lot of emotion attached to it, and it's mine.
He kept being like, "I can't believe you would be selfish enough to sacrifice the stability of a relationship just because you're emotionally attached to your last name," and I'd be like, "I can't believe you're equally selfish, then, because I don't see you volunteering to change yours."
Eventually my boyfriend had to admit that whatever arguments about family stability he came up with, the only argument in favor of having the woman change her name was "tradition." And that's not a negative thing, but he needed to decide if "tradition" is a big enough reason to leave me for, because I don't view tradition to be a compelling enough reason for me to do something I personally find heart-wrenching. If family stability is the actual reason, you should be fine with the idea of giving up your name and taking hers. If you're uncomfortable with that idea, that's fine, but you should use that discomfort to maybe understand things from the point of view of the woman you love.
So I guess that if your fiancee doesn't want to change her name, what you first need to figure out is why it's so important to you that she does. If it's merely about family stability, and she is unwilling to change her name, then you should be able to consider changing yours. If it's about showing an acceptance of Western culture or bowing down to Western traditions, then I guess you'll need to decide if this particular acceptance of Western culture is more important than being with her. There isn't really a right answer, so long as you're both honest with each other. |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Didn't change the name on any of her Korean paperwork, but all her American paperwork has my last name on it. Kind of a meet in the middle kind of thing.
Our son has both her last name and my Korean last name, again kind of a compromise thing.
I don't think most Korean women would have a problem with changing names as the act of not changing names is really a glaring reminder to women that they are not really part of the husband's family.
For us, we thought changing her last name on the Korean side would create more problems than it would be worth.
We got married back in '95 before they even offered F2 visas to foreign males marrying Korean females though, so it might be easier for a Korean national with a foreign last name now to deal with banking and whatever. |
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Yangachi

Joined: 17 Sep 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Call me old-fashioned, but if I marry my girlfriend, she ought to take my last name. |
But Korean women don't change their names when they get married, although the children take the father's name. |
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kentucker4

Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: |
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whatever wrote: |
Interesting point, comparing the holidays. Part of me is inclined to agree with you, on some level. I'm in a similar situation...engaged. I've already decided to not ask her to. I don't even especially like my own surname... And hey, my mother, grandmothers, great-grandmothers, etc. all had their own names, and I'm no less proud of those identities. Honestly, if it wouldn't piss off my dad, I'd seriously consider swapping my mother's name for his...way cooler sounding.
Moreover, she ought to hold onto her own family identity, unless she chooses otherwise. At least that's my own opinion. Even if we're blessed with children, which I hope to be the case, I don't think it's really that important whose name they bear. Maybe there's a clever way to incorporate both, who knows...
Good luck to you~ |
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NoExplode

Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Honest to God story. My friend took his Chinese wife's name. He had motivation though. His name used to be Bruce Pryblewski. Now his name is Bruce Lee. He's in sales, and his sales doubled in a year after his marriage. He credits his new name. |
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Mdvl_lady50
Joined: 22 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: Changing Names |
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My daughter just got married this last September in the States. She is Caucasian, her husband is native born Californian with ancestry from Ecuador/Philipines/China. She kept her last name of Warner for professional reasons, as she plans on not retiring any time soon from Intel. When they have kids, if at all, I think the child will have a split last name. Times are changing and have been for quite some time. While he is very successful at his attorney job working a zillion billable hours a week, he realizes that his new wife has her career and name recognition is not something to give away. Also, my daughter happens to like her last name. It's her identity. |
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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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I think the child will have a split last name. |
poor kid..no one thinks this through..what happens when they give the kid the last name of smith-lee and then he decides to marry johnson-winterhaven... and she wants to split her name further? or wtf do they name the kid? |
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Chamchiman

Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Location: Digging the Grave
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Married Guys: Did Your Korean Wife Change Her Name? |
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fortysixyou wrote: |
And just like I would be accepting her culture and adhering to Korean marital norms... |
You mentioned the word "culture" in your OP, but I'm not sure you know what the culture is. If your future wife is Korean, why should she change her name? She's Korean. Korean women don't change their name.
How about you settle it "culturally" with a nice round of rock, scissors, paper?
fortysixyou wrote: |
...if I marry my girlfriend, she ought to take my last name.
Not just because it's western culture. I think it makes for a stronger couple and better relationship. |
Explain please. I'm married to a Korean woman. She didn't change her name - does that mean our relationship isn't as strong as it could be?
My wife can do whatever she wants with her name - it's HER name. Hell, she can change it to 'Dave Sperling' if she wants. I don't have any say over what someone does with their own name, just like I don't have any say over what someone does with their own body.
And finally,
fortysixyou wrote: |
Call me old-fashioned... |
You sir, are old-fashioned. |
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AussieGav
Joined: 02 Sep 2007 Location: Uijeongbu
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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It's true that Koreean women do not change their surnames when they marry. It is also something that may complicate matters at least while residing in Korea. When we married, my wife said she wants to take my last name, all cool her choice, but she will keep her Korean name as is whilst in Kroea for ease of well everything. All Australian docs have her Korean name and mine as I suggested she keep hers.
I dont think you can make threats of not attending family activities based on something like this. Changing family name for woman when she gets married may be typical in our culture but it is not in thiers. It is typical for the children to take the father's name though.
I also dont think that the strength of a relationship should be measured by people's forced acceptance of something alien but by acceptance of their desires. If she feels strong enough to keep her birth name then that should be acknowledged in my opinion. Good luck. |
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aphase
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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I actually prefer that women keep their last names. I think that having last names reflect blood relation is pretty cool, and it doesn't make much sense to me that because a person gets married that they have to change their last name. They were born into a family, so why not keep that family's name?
Also, looking up people back home on facebook, such as old classmates who were women etc, can be kind of a pain since its possible to not even know what their current name is after they've gotten married.
Anyways I personally wouldn't be offended if a girl didn't take my last name, it seems like such a small detail and to me doesn't really matter. |
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Dysupes

Joined: 24 May 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I was never really too concerned by the whole last name thing and told my wife so before we ever got hitched. She said that she might take my last name later once we moved back to the West and I've told her repeatedly that it's up to her, I don't care. Her name is her name, not mine.
As for children, we've just found out that we're expecting and we've batted around the ideas for names but to be honest I'm even thinking of just having the baby take her name as it's shorter, easier to write and although I'm the only child my dad has 7 older brothers who have already propagated our already super common French Canadian name so that it will last well into the 22nd century. lol I feel like they've taken the onus off me and so I'm going to let it go and let our child have my wife's easier name.
I guess the whole cultural tradition with naming kind of doesn't make sense to me now and it's because people can change their names to anything nowadays if they so choose so who's to say that even were I to name my kid something I thought was really patriarchal or familial that he/she isn't going to change it down the road anyway. I'll do my best to find a beautiful name rather than one like "Dysupesson." lol |
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definitely maybe
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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i told her i thought she should keep her last name. she was certainly open to the idea of mine, but our marriage and relationship certainly had no dependence on it. besides, the combiniation of her first name with my norwegian last name would be a disaster! |
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