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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 8:07 am    Post subject: Learning Korean through music Reply with quote

For those who are somewhere in the upper mid-level of Korean I recommend learning it through music...the good thing about music is that it's impossible to forget, and spending a few hours with a CD until one has the whole thing in memory is effectively putting some 30-40 minutes of perfect Korean into one's head.
I just remembered something I did a few months ago where I took a few Jaurim (�ڿ츲) songs and translated them into English with some grammatical notes underneath and gave them to a friend of mine who said it was quite helpful. Of course, a person with some mastery of Korean already should be able to look up most everything in a dictionary but laying out each word like this can save a lot of time.
This is one of the songs, called ��(snake).
Anybody learn Korean through music like I did?


8 )�׷��׷� �ʴ� �׷��� ���� ����. ���� �ٽ� �׷� ���� �����Ŷ��
�� �� ���� ���鼭 ��� �� ��? �ʴ� �������� �ʾҴ�, ���� �ΰ�.
���������� �׷� ������ ������ �� �˾Ҵ�? ���������� �׷� ������ ������ �� �˾Ҵ�?
�� ���� �Ź� �̷��� ȭ������. ���� �ٽ� �׷� ���� ���� �����. �� �ʸ� �̴�� ������ �� ��?
���� �������� �ʴ� �ɱ�, �̷� �ϵ�.
���������� �̷� ������ ��ƾ߸� �ϴ°ɱ�? ���������� �̷� ���踦 ����ؾ� �ϴ� �ɱ�?
�ʴ� �� ���� ������, ���� ��������, �� ���� ����������, �ƹ� ��� ����,
�������� �󱹷� �������� �̼Ҹ� ����. ���� �� ���𸻿���, �ƹ����� �ʰ� ��������� ������ ������� �弳�� ����.
������������....
�� �λ��� ���� ����, ���� �ִ� ��
������������....
�� ��� �� ���� ���� ��ſ��ϴ� ��
������������....
��, �� ���� ������.
�׷� ���ں��� �ϴϱ� �����ݾ�. ���� �����ϰ� ������, �� �̻���.
���� ������ �δ� �� ���� �ž�. �ʵ� �߰ſ� ���� ���� �� �״�.
���������� �׷� ������ ������ �� �����ϱ�. ���������� �׷� ������ ã������ �����ϱ�.

Yeah, that's the way you talk, saying that it'll never happen again.
Why can't you look at my eyes when you talk? Aren't you even sick of your ridiculous excuses? (??)
How far did you think you could run like that? How safe did you think you were like that?
I just get angry every time, telling you not to do that.
Why can't I just throw you away? Shouldn't I be sick of all this?
How long do I have to live like this? How long do I have to keep up this relationship?
You're a snake aren't you, slithering about... ???
Smiling, looking satisfied with that c*cky expression of yours
In just one of your words you spit out curses and sophistry to no end
Nananana...
You, ruining my life and smiling all the while
nanananan...
You, enjoying yourself as you ruin everything
nanananana...
You're a snake, aren't you?
That's right, you're suffering because you underestimated me
Don't you look down on me anymore, I'm not so soft
You should prepare yourself
Because you're going to taste something warm too
Because you can't run away like that forever
Because I'm not going to put up with it forever

������-Get sick of, be taken aback by.
���ϴ�-C*cky, ridiculous, outlandish.
�ΰ�-Excuse.
��-Style, system. This is seen a lot in cooking. �Ϻ��Ŀ丮 is Japanese-style food. �׷� ������ means 'in that way', and �ѱ������� means 'in a Korean way'.
��������-Run away, flee. Also ����ġ��.
�����ϴ�-To be safe. ������ means safely.
��-Every time. �� means every, so we can have ����-every day, ����-every week, etc.
ȭ ����-To get angry. Lit. Fire comes out. ȭ means fire, or anger.
������-To throw away.
���-To live.
�� ����-One animal. ���� is the counter for animals so we have �� ����, �� ����, etc.
����-Relationship. ���� ����, lit. no relationship means, 'It doesn't matter' and is used in conversation all the time.
����ϴ�-To continue.
�������-No relationship/doesn't matter. Nearly identical to ���� ����.
����������-C*cky.
����������-Satisfied.
�̼�(�� ����)-(To) smile. �̼� is a noun for smile. Another word for smile is ����, he noun form of the verb ����, to smile or to laugh.
�� ����-One word/short statement.
�ƹ����� �ʰ�-As if nothing were going on, like nothing's the matter.
���������-Chatter, blabber.
�˺�-Sophistry (Bending the truth with words)
�����-To spit out.
�弳-Swear, curse. Sometimes just called ��. �� �ϴ� means 'to swear'.
��ġ��-To ruin.
����-To smile, to laugh.
��ſ� �ϴ�-To have fun, enjoy oneself. This is a form of the adjective ��̴� which means enjoyable/fun.
���ں��� �ϴ�-
���ϴ�-Terrible, painful...
�����ϰ� ����-To look down/underestimate somebody.
�� �̻�-More/from now on.
�����ϴ�-To lock somebody up in jail.
�̴߰�-Warm.
����-To put up with something.

...�Ŷ�� - This is used in quoting. In the first two sentences of the song we see �׷��� ���� ���� - you talk like that, don't you? And then, �׷� ���� �����Ŷ�� - that it won't happen again. These are actually two broken sentences, and could be made into one that looks something like this: �ʴ� �׷� ���� �����Ŷ�� ���� ���� - You say that it's not going to happen again. Take this sentence: ���� ���⿡ ������ ���� �ðŶ�� ģ������ ���߾�. I told my friend that I would go to Europe next year. This sentence can also be broken up in the same way: ���� ģ������ ���߾�, ���⿡ ������ ���� �ðŶ��. I told my friend, that I would go to Europe next year. These sentences are seen often in conversation.
���� �����-(I) told (you) not to do (it). This is another example of quoting. By affixing -�� �� to the end of a verb one can give a negative order - don't! For example ij���ٿ� ������, ij���ٿ� ���� ����, ij���ٿ� ���� ������ - Don't go to Canada, in varying degrees of politeness. By affixing -�� ���� to a verb we get a new verb that is negative in form. For example, since ���� �Ǵ� means ?ou must go, we can take the negative form, ���� ����, and turn it into ���� ���ƾ� �Ǵ�, which means you must not go, literally you have to not go.


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little mixed girl



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Holyjoe



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs Music is a pretty good place to go as far as listening to Korean music (or other languages if you fancy) is concerned, and a lot of the songs have karaoke-lyrics too that you can follow along to
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Learning Korean through music Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
the good thing about music is that it's impossible to forget, and spending a few hours with a CD until one has the whole thing in memory is effectively putting some 30-40 minutes of perfect Korean into one's head.


I agree that it is a great idea, but I don't agree that it is perfect Korean. There is a lot of slang in those songs.
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good job mithridates! and thanks for the good advice..
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Len8



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju

PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Korean is survival, and I just get by, but I enjoy some of the Korean ballad music. It's of course got a slower beat, and some of the tunes are quite good. The words are readable in the norebongs, because the songs aren't as hip hop and as fast as korean pop. I use the songs to practice Korean as well. Unfortunately my students don't like what I like, and they call the ballad songs adjumah music.

Have a hard time trying to figure out why younger Korean students don't like the music that the more mature singers sing. In western countries most young people still like their contemporary music as well as that of the older groups. Especially that which was very popular.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is just a thought, but maybe it reminds them of a time they'd rather forget? During the 50s and 60s we were having a renaissance of music and popular culture when a war and basic reconstruction afterwards was going on here.
I've noticed though that people start liking those songs somewhere around the age of 25-30. They're excellent for learning Korean BTW if you like them (especially if you're looking to brush up on sad ways to say goodbye to your lover at the harbour), but I can't remember any except for ��̿� ���.
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Yangkho



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Honam

PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent idea, and you're right, it really works.

Has anyone tried movies? I've learned so much from some good old DVDs. For example, I write out a minute or so of dialog, thanks to Korean subtitles. Then I write down the English subtitles in between the lines.

The next step is to go through and make vocab and grammar notes. (Of course, this is recommended for intermediate students and up). When that's done, I watch the little scene, writing it in Korean until I've not only learned it by ear, but I know what it means. The last step is to then watch the whole minute segment without subtitles, either mouthing the words along with the actors or writing the words as I hear them. It really works and it feels great, for example, when you're watching fifteen or twenty minutes of lightning dialog...and understanding it!

If you're worried about dialects and or slang, you can select movies that take place in Seoul, but in my case, the Southern dialect in the movie Chingu will always remind me of my kids down there. And now, no one can call swear at me in front of my face.

A beginner could also benefit by just going through the movie and picking out commands, short sentences and swears (if that's your thing).

Another thing, learning from movies like Chwihwaseon or Chunhyang will really improve your more formal, literary Korean.

So if you've got a DVD player, try this out and let me know if it works for you like it's worked for me.
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Learning Korean through music Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
Anybody learn Korean through music like I did?


When I studied Korean at university, our instructor had us listen to Korean pop. I thought it was fun and helped quite a bit.
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Chillin' Villain



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a method that has been working for me even from beginning stages, actually, and it sort of keeps things interesting; especially if you learn it well enough to norae-bang it...

My first song was that one from JSA ("Letter Home from Enlisted Soldier", more or less), and made learning Korean a lot more rewarding. Movies and tv shows are great, too, as long as I've got the Korean subtitles on (my reading's ok, but my listening's still BRUTAL!)
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've added a section on my home page where people can go listen to the lyrics of that band mentioned above, with my translation and explanation of the grammar. Plus it's good music.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still get funny looks when I walk into a restaurant and say "pae gu pa yo"
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