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Gopher
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 Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: Canada's PM Closes Parliament... |
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Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Thursday that Canada's governor general has allowed him to suspend parliament, which will allow the premier to delay his opponents from carrying out a no-confidence vote that had been planned for Monday.
The vote would have likely brought down Harper's government. |
Interesting. Sounds like a coup.
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mises
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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thiophene
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: |
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65% didn't vote for him either...
This is such a dirty move by a scared little *beep*. At a time like this to shut things down for several weeks is irresponsible. I hope the coalition can stay together. |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Strange that Dion's YouTube quality video sent late for the networks' deadline didn't convince the GG that he and the others were ready to run the country starting next week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vXrycmlea8 |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| thiophene wrote: |
| 65% didn't vote for him either... |
The appeal to a majority argument is a pretty weak one, considering that using it you could also make the claim that in 2000 what Canadians really wanted was an Alliance-PC-NDP-Bloc coalition run by Stockwell Day to govern the country. After all, they did get over 50% of the vote. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| Not one person voted for a Liberal-Bloc government. Not a single one. The whole 65% voted against Harper argument is blind to our multiparty system. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Oh, man. The Quebec separatism seems to be alive and well.
Have you guys tried flooding the Quebec with Anglos? I hear the Quebecois have a substandard birthrate. Maybe this explains the Liberals' immigration policy? |
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thiophene
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
Strange that Dion's YouTube quality video sent late for the networks' deadline didn't convince the GG that he and the others were ready to run the country starting next week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vXrycmlea8 |
why should the quality of video matter...listen to his message. American politics has crept its way up north, what a shame.
It's funny, the conservatives are allowed to play these games, but the liberals aren't? Canadians put their trust in a leader and we've gotta live with it for a few years. Just because it's a majority, doesn't mean a liberal voter is voting for the bloc...but if my liberal leader thinks workign with the bloc is going to help canadians then so be it. I'll trust him/her on that for now. Although, I must admit, I don't fully understand the dislike towards coalitions. Technically they can work together without naming themselves a 'coalition'...so what's the big deal? |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Quebec has her own immigration policy somewhat independent from Canada. She imports French speaking immigrants.
Anyways, Anglos have a hard time in Quebec. Unless you are from far-east Ont, NB or Quebec you don't speak French and that largely keeps you out of the labour market (unless you're doing very high skilled work). |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Oh, man. The Quebec separatism seems to be alive and well.
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Not really. Most French Quebeckers want a highly decentralized federation, similar actually to what Alberta rednecks want, and more pork tossed in Quebec's direction. But, for a number of reasons, you'll never see a majority of Quebeckers, or even a majority of French Quebeckers, voting for outright independence.
The two referendums, 1980 and 1995, were not asking people if they wanted an independent Quebec. The language was left deliberately vague, and even if either vote had gone oui, I doubt very much that you'd see an independent Quebec today.
As a personal observation, having witnessed Korean nationalism up close, I don't take the Quebec variety all that seriously at all anymore. It's really just amateur hour over there. |
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khyber
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Not one person voted for a Liberal-Bloc government. Not a single one. The whole 65% voted against Harper argument is blind to our multiparty system. |
wait what?
The bloc wouldn't be a part of the government but would support it.
And parties are allowed to form coalitions.
I've been watching this REALLY closely. It's the first time I've actually been REALLY INTERESTED in Canadian politics (elections included).
1) It was a confidence (money) vote on a budget update that was inflammatory, pompous, and alienating. It was basically the MOST foolish thing Harper could have done.... but whatever. (even most Albertans who HATE the coalition are quick to admit that Harper gaffed).
<Sidenote...good article: http://www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/canadian-parliament-prorogued_923.html >
2) Had the budget update vote NOT past, that would have indicated that the House has lost confidence in the government and the ruling party would be expected to resign. At that point the GG has different options (not applicable here anyways).
I'm kinda happy it was prorogued because that does provide some stability in the government..... because NOTHING will get done (what's more stable than that?).
The problem with nothing getting down is that, well, our country is on the brink of some very serious financial *beep* and to now be cast off by our government seems a bit irresponsible on their part. The ONLY thing that is going to buoy the Conservatives would be an absolutely interstellar, COMPLETELY bi-partisan budget (and that's assuming segments of Canada's economy down shit the bed in the meantime).
This also sets a dangerous precendent. Usually Parliament is only prorogued when a session is finished, or there is no other work to be done. CLEARLY that is not the case in the current global financial crisis. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| thiophene wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
Strange that Dion's YouTube quality video sent late for the networks' deadline didn't convince the GG that he and the others were ready to run the country starting next week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vXrycmlea8 |
why should the quality of video matter...listen to his message. American politics has crept its way up north, what a shame. |
Not quality, sending the video in on time. I don't know if you were watching CTV but they had to fill up the rest of the 30 minutes allotted for the videos by just talking about Harper's video over and over again and wondering when Dion was going to send in his. At the same time Layton had been denied a speaking opportunity during the 30 minutes because Dion was going to speak for the coalition. |
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crazy_arcade
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Not one person voted for a Liberal-Bloc government. Not a single one. The whole 65% voted against Harper argument is blind to our multiparty system. |
People like you are the worst. Not one person voted for a Conservative gov't also. And, if you view your vote as that, then you're being taken for a ride.
I voted for my MP. The MP's who form the majority get the right to form a government. The conservatives have the highest number of MP's but they don't have a majority. They don't have the right to act like dictators inside the House of Parliament.
All of the MP's in the House are elected officials who represent the voters. That includes the Bloc. If an alternative can form the majority then it democratically has the right to do so. If the Conservatives want to be government, then they have to get support from the MP's who outnumber them.
What if, right after the election, the Conservatives had asked the NDP or the Bloc to form a coalition in order to form a majority? |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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What if, right after the election, the Conservatives had asked the NDP or the Bloc to form a coalition in order to form a majority? |
If this happened, I'm sure that every intellectual and phd-holding tenured windbag would object, ironically; in total contrast to their present support of their left-wing coalition-happy socialist brethren.
Intelligent people vote for their party; their idiology. This point is moot however, and I choose to argue more pertinent aspects: The decision to prorogue parliament to present the budget was a hard decision, but the right one for a united Canada. Within just days, Liberal MPs are dropping like flies.
The Canadians who are NOT radical environmentalists, communists, entitled unionists, or binLayton lovers now seem to be ignoring hoity-toity CBC talking heads. The majority of Canadians do NOT support this coalition:
http://www.ekos.com/admin/articles/CBC4Dec2008.pdf
But what good are polls?
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=1032813
The coming days will be telling. The consensus is that the Palin-style surge in curiosity-piquing popularity has waned just as fast as it surfaced. |
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