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strange_brew



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:46 pm    Post subject: Korea Unmasked Reply with quote

What a piece of nationalistic garbage. The author makes some clever observations and arguments, but whatever credibility he gains with those is lost with his over the top generalisations (sounds like this place sometimes) and fanatical nationalism that seems to be everywhere. This is at least my opinion. Anybody else read this tripe?
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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A link please!
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strange_brew



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a book by Won Bok-Rhie. I believe that is his name.
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bangbayed



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was a pretty insightful book myself. Sure there are some generalizations, but when you're writing something anthropological/sociological, that's bound to occur. What generalizations did you have problems with?
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bundangbabo



Joined: 01 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its shite, the book defends Koreans 'pure blood' and how important it is and makes the false claim that no country in the 20th century has developed as quickly as Korea - convieniently forgetting about Russia/Soviet Unions accomplishment of putting man in space from serfdom within 40 years.

What is worse though is the book is translated from Korean so there are a load of Koreans out there that believe this BS. Rolling Eyes

Oh, and that Britian tried to invade Korea and the Koreans succesfully repelled the invasion - first I have heard! Rolling Eyes A battalion of Grenadier Guards would have took the whole of Korea in a day back when we were world leaders of colonisation! Twisted Evil
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legalquestions



Joined: 25 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked at What the Book on Saturday, but they didn't have it.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was all right and in some areas quite honest. The odd BS coating is easily enough seen through.
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Jandar



Joined: 11 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More re-written history from the anti-Japanization movement.
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Bingo



Joined: 22 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What they fail to note, when they boast about how fast Korea industrialized, is this. Korea industrialized faster than the UK (for example) because we had to invent everything as we went along. Koreans didn't have to do that. Western science and technology was given to them on a platter - a free gift for which we have yet to receive a thank you. That's how they industrialized so quickly.

If Europeans hadn't transferred their technology to Korea, hangookin would still be living in huts. They invented nothing in 5000 years. How many more millennia would need to pass before Koreans industrialized on their own merits?

Korea is only industrialized because of Western genius...but I guess that little nugget wasn''t in the book.


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Bingo



Joined: 22 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, double post
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theholyinnocent



Joined: 06 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bingo wrote:
What they fail to note, when they boast about how fast Korea industrialized, is this. Korea industrialized faster than the UK (for example) because we had to invent everything as we went along.

While I do think that Korea's rapid progress is impressive, I'm kind of sick of hearing how totally dirty and old the NYC subways are from my co-workers. Dude. The first underground one was created more than a hundred years ago; the first above-ground one was even before that. They weren't even all owned by the same governing body in the beginning, so they weren't necessarily created to work well with each other. Given that, and given the sheer volume of people they transport, it's a freaking miracle that they work as well as they do. Yeah, they'd probably be cleaner and faster and have AC and everything else if they'd been created in 1970 or later -- in some ways it's harder to keep something old up to date than to create something new with current technology. But the dirtiness and the grittiness and the...oldness of them isn't some sign of the failure of the system as a whole. You need to take it in context. I get really sick of explaining that sometimes -- to lots of people, even American tourists.

Anyway. Carry on.
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PeteJB



Joined: 06 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Britain tried to invade? At what point in history? I'm sure if they were serious about invading this would've become another British colony. Laughing
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The book is an excellent way to break into understanding about Korea and how it fits into the rest of East Asia. The bad thing about is, as others have said, it's a book about Korea from the perspective of Koreans.

They seem oblivious to certain issues others would see in Korea such as chavanism, violence, and the bad image Koreans get as international travelers and sportsman.

But, if you've just arrived, by all means, read it for sure. And it has neat and funny draw-rings, too...
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thrylos



Joined: 10 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I find many parts of it critical to Korea and the Korean "way". The chapters of the Korean Character and The World Record Parade make Koreans look like the lemmings and haphazard slipshod folk I think a lot tend to be. (or at least that's my interpretation of it). He's pretty critical of the Confucian characteristics of society in a sublte, nice way, too.

I use it in some adult conversation classes and it generates real debate-- "Oh, you're a westerner, you shouldn't be reading this" or "I never thought about it in that way". What works for me and my classes is that this is written by a Korean and that peaks their interest...In fact, many students buy the original Korean version to make sure they understood what we read in the English translation...

All around, a good book, IMO
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sjrm



Joined: 27 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteJB wrote:
Britain tried to invade? At what point in history? I'm sure if they were serious about invading this would've become another British colony. Laughing


No, Korea repelled the attack in 1969. It was because Korea had the secret weapon of kimchi and soju on their side, which Britain tried to steal and claim as their own to be able to use as their secret weapon. I thought that was common knowledge!
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